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It all boils down to one thing, he's bragging about doing something on another site which is forbidden in the Overclock Marketplace here. Dick.....Move. Second infraction noted, beyond caring over scalpers.
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You're missing the point. Why should people be able to buy up all of the 1080's that come in for the sole purpose of reselling them at massive prices for profit? If retailers increase prices by as much as the scalpers they are rightly accused of gouging (and may even face legal investigations in some cases) but Dippy Dip$hit in Nowheresville, USA can horde 1080's all day long and ream good-faith buyers with impunity? Its not that these people WANT to pay $900 for a 1080, its that they don't have a chance to buy them at retail because so many opportunists are buying them all up to make a profit. What entitles these guys to make money on a product they had nothing to do with bringing to market anyway? IMO the manufacturers should be more proactive in taking action against these people on the grounds of copyright infringement similar to how the RIAA goes after pirating...

People can only charge what others are willing to buy. You should focus on the people buying them for a high price. The world worked just fine pre-Pascal. No one is being forced by gun-point or other coercive means to buy a 1080. They choose to purchase it for that high price, and they should always be allowed to purchase a luxury good for whatever price they find worthy of their dollars. This is economics at work. Don't hate the player, hate the game. Newegg does the same thing, albeit at a lower price. Take all the emotion and feelings out of this argument, and you have 1) Buyer 2) Seller 3)Item 4) Money 5) Scarcity.
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You sly... I was just about to invoke Machiavelli! That's a free pass to do whatever you like, yes?

BEFORE it's done to you biggrin.gif
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"A Prince should always make sure that if an Nvidia product paper launches that he is in a position to horde said product so as to profit from the lower classes in such a way that increases his power and influence." -The Prince, Machiavelli
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The demand sets the precedent. The scalpers are the smart ones here. They play on the demand that is out there for these. There are people who want these cards so bad, they will go to great lengths to obtain one at their earliest convenience. Look at the completed listings on eBay for 1070 and 1080 cards, and you will see that people are paying more for these. I can't account for possible international shipping that some auctions may or may not place on their auctions.

On a moral front, of course it's a very underhanded move. But they know this and will capitalize doing so. They are not set by any MSRP or store limitations. Sadly, they have every right to sell these cards to how they feel the market plays. It's up to the buyer to figure if it is worth the mark up or not.
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I think this is just the perfect illustration of the pathological need for instant gratification that permeates every corner of society these days.
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The demand sets the precedent. The scalpers are the smart ones here. They play on the demand that is out there for these. There are people who want these cards so bad, they will go to great lengths to obtain one at their earliest convenience. Look at the completed listings on eBay for 1070 and 1080 cards, and you will see that people are paying more for these. I can't account for possible international shipping that some auctions may or may not place on their auctions.

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Actually, scalping (at least ticket sales) is already illegal in 15 states so they do not necessarily have the right to do it. Secondly, the fact that they are buying up all the cards en masse to resell for profit is precisely the reason that the poor consumers who are just wanting to get a card for their personal use are having to pay these ridiculous scalper prices in the first place. If there were federal legislation against scalping that covered everybody then this wouldn't even be an issue and its something I think the Congress really should look into (obviously video card sales are too small for the government to care about but this sort of thing happens in a lot of bigger industries and should be regulated IMO).
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Actually, scalping (at least ticket sales) is already illegal in 15 states so they do not necessarily have the right to do it. Secondly, the fact that they are buying up all the cards en masse to resell for profit is precisely the reason that the poor consumers who are just wanting to get a card for their personal use are having to pay these ridiculous scalper prices in the first place. If there were federal legislation against scalping that covered everybody then this wouldn't even be an issue and its something I think the Congress really should look into (obviously video card sales are too small for the government to care about but this sort of thing happens in a lot of bigger industries and should be regulated IMO).

Well, we're using scalper too loosely as a term. They aren't really scalpers as you would normally associate with tickets. They are owners just like you and I, regardless of purpose. You have that same right. If you, say, have a old AGP card lying around, you would sell it super cheap to what you feel the price should be. On the flip side, you could easily try to sell that card for $500. It doesn't mean anyone is going to buy it, but you are free to do so. There is no regulation that says you can't sell it for $500. However, that could be the "collectable value" of the item. If one has the funds to buy an item, and know that people are in demand of this item and not many are available, then nothing would stop them from turning around and selling it for much more than what you paid.

I am a part of a vintage audio community that most of what we talk about is the blank media. (i.e. cassettes, open reel, etc.) Granted, it's a very outdated and obsolete format, but it's still relevant to people. One of the biggest complaints we have had in the past is the eBay sellers that have put up blank cassettes for exorbitant amounts. We're talking sealed new old stock (NOS) that had either been sitting in a basement, closet, or attic for many years. Some that are over 30 years old. While great quality cassette tape is technically still being manufactured in bulk for a US dollar or two at most, people still have a need for the "classics" that used to exist.

Sellers know there are people that still dabble in making recordings on high quality of cassettes, and will scour places like thrift stores or even Craigslist to find tapes being sold by people who don't realize its demand. These sellers buy super cheap, and then turn around and sell it on eBay (usually) for a huge mark up. Try to look up some metal bias tapes on eBay, and you'll see how much they go for. Especially considering that at the end of metal tape's run, they were selling for roughly $3 a tape.
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Freudian slip? devil-smiley-019.gif

Nah, just thought it was meat... Like putting food on the table. You just taught me it was meet... Makes more sense too haha. I guess hearing and reading can teach you differently. Good catch.. Btw do you like sausage lmao...
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Well, we're using scalper too loosely as a term. They aren't really scalpers as you would normally associate with tickets. They are owners just like you and I, regardless of purpose. You have that same right. If you, say, have a old AGP card lying around, you would sell it super cheap to what you feel the price should be. On the flip side, you could easily try to sell that card for $500. It doesn't mean anyone is going to buy it, but you are free to do so. There is no regulation that says you can't sell it for $500. However, that could be the "collectable value" of the item. If one has the funds to buy an item, and know that people are in demand of this item and not many are available, then nothing would stop them from turning around and selling it for much more than what you paid.

I am a part of a vintage audio community that most of what we talk about is the blank media. (i.e. cassettes, open reel, etc.) Granted, it's a very outdated and obsolete format, but it's still relevant to people. One of the biggest complaints we have had in the past is the eBay sellers that have put up blank cassettes for exorbitant amounts. We're talking sealed new old stock (NOS) that had either been sitting in a basement, closet, or attic for many years. Some that are over 30 years old. While great quality cassette tape is technically still being manufactured in bulk for a US dollar or two at most, people still have a need for the "classics" that used to exist.

Sellers know there are people that still dabble in making recordings on high quality of cassettes, and will scour places like thrift stores or even Craigslist to find tapes being sold by people who don't realize its demand. These sellers buy super cheap, and then turn around and sell it on eBay (usually) for a huge mark up. Try to look up some metal bias tapes on eBay, and you'll see how much they go for. Especially considering that at the end of metal tape's run, they were selling for roughly $3 a tape.

Legislation could easily be written to only include new items being sold at MSRP by licensed retailers (obviously not collector's items). The law should be that anyone can buy the product but if they intend to resell right away (within a certain time frame of purchase) then they are only allowed to charge what they paid for it. Something like that would immediately get rid of the scumbag scalpers (lowlifes like the guys that camp out before a new console launch and buy all the stock to turn around and sell for 300-400% profit).
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