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The reason why you have FE, Titan is because people are willing to pay. Nvidia can get way with these prices and will continue to do so as long as people buy. Market dominance helps. 16nm is low in stock. Why not charge more. $50-70 more for most people spending $400+ on a "toy" is nothing.

Monopolies and duopolies strive to maximize profits. Higher volume doesn't equal higher profits. Profit is maximized when margin revenue = margin costs. This typically means selling to FEWER individuals...
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What you listed is the full justification for Nvidia to charge whatever they want for 1080, it is very early the the 16nm Flagship market and beats everything else in performance, who knows what fab are charging for those 16nm products of GP104 size eah rolleyes.gif
Save your eye rolls. I had a problem your statement: "AMD provoked Nvidia with the $550 MSRP 7970" because it's biased and is just factually wrong.

What I listed is full justification for anyone to charge anything they want, any time. It's called an open market and you'll never hear me disagree with it unless it's being influenced by government. What you did is complain about what they're charging, and point the blame in an inexplicable place for an inexplicable reason.

I know that AMD was charging too much for the 7970 when it first game out. Want to know what I did? Waited, for it to come down in price. I paid the price I felt it was worth. You're complaining about market prices, and you have the premium "Founder's Edition" (what does that even mean?) which offers nothing over the actual product. It will perform exactly the same as any other 1080. It's a sham, and it's overtly a scam. Just like Titan, Titan Black, and Titan X were beyond over priced. They made a killing selling the same product to the same people over, and over, and over.

It's fine. It's your choice, but don't go pointing the finger at the bargain brand. NV has historically been the "premium" brand, and NV attracts a certain type of consumer. The Apple type of consumer. The person who thinks exorbitant prices and prestigious labeling really has a place in this market.

Don't complain or blame AMD for NV's willingness to cater to your inability to own anything less than the most expensive toy. You sustain the market for it. It's your fault.
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I blame 3Dfx for the price gouging.

If they were still around, we wouldn't be having this problem. tongue.gif

you know you're being snide and facetious but you're actually right frick. more competitors in a market tend to drive prices down.
 
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Following launch cards that got sold in minutes, Nvidia is shipping limited volume of cards on a daily basis but it seems that etail and retail guys are fulfilling the pre-orders with these cards.

most limited supply in history = best selling in history rolleyes.gif
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Save your eye rolls. I had a problem your statement: "AMD provoked Nvidia with the $550 MSRP 7970" because it's biased and is just factually wrong.

What I listed is full justification for anyone to charge anything they want, any time. It's called an open market and you'll never hear me disagree with it unless it's being influenced by government. What you did is complain about what they're charging, and point the blame in an inexplicable place for an inexplicable reason.

I know that AMD was charging too much for the 7970 when it first game out. Want to know what I did? Waited, for it to come down in price. I paid the price I felt it was worth. You're complaining about market prices, and you have the premium "Founder's Edition" (what does that even mean?) which offers nothing over the actual product. It will perform exactly the same as any other 1080. It's a sham, and it's overtly a scam. Just like Titan, Titan Black, and Titan X were beyond over priced. They made a killing selling the same product to the same people over, and over, and over.

It's fine. It's your choice, but don't go pointing the finger at the bargain brand. NV has historically been the "premium" brand, and NV attracts a certain type of consumer. The Apple type of consumer. The person who thinks exorbitant prices and prestigious labeling really has a place in this market.

Don't complain or blame AMD for NV's willingness to cater to your inability to own anything less than the most expensive toy. You sustain the market for it. It's your fault.

This is my take on it:
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But yes you're absolutely right, instant gratification and the pathological need (IMO) to have the latest and greatest means people will pay whatever nVidia asks. And as people gradually get priced out of their bracket, the situation will only get worse. (but I suspect some take twisted joy in the fact that as hardware become more expensive, they become more exclusive as well)
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most limited supply in history = best sales in history rolleyes.gif

Well they're counting all the pre-orders and back-orders and eBay sales and Craigslist sales.
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I'm not pointing the finger at you; I'm just pointing out how the pricing has changed at the high end.

inb4 AMD's flagship is $549 if the RX480 pricing is anything to go by biggrin.gif
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All hail the best selling video card ever.
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you know you're being snide and facetious but you're actually right frick. more competitors in a market tend to drive prices down.
This is why patent and copyright law were so heavily contested when they were first introduced. A duopoly could never happen on a truly open market, but people were sold on the idea that they will lose their "American dream" if there's no law to protect individual "inventors."

Amusingly, the brilliant innovators of the time rarely get their dues from these monolithic corporations. Even the corporations, themselves, have a hard time escaping the demands of their shareholders and their duty to the bank. The consumer definitely isn't winning, either, in most markets.

Most people will disagree with the notion that competition really helps markets because of all the things that make real competition impossible. They're right, in a sense, but it's just because they refuse to entertain the idea of tackling larger problems like the copyright and patent system or the international fiat currency system.

If the actual individuals within these corporations who make this all possible didn't have an ever-increasing number of landmine licensing fees and patent roadblocks to dodge until the end of time, they could get more done for the consumer and do away with the dead weight of executive management and financing monopolies.

That's a whole other topic, though.
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most limited supply in history = best selling in history rolleyes.gif


I would not be shocked if they had delivered less than 2000 units to retailers in the US.
 
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I would not be shocked if they had delivered less than 2000 units to retailers in the US.

Newegg's stock of 100 Gigabyte 1080 Xtreme was gone in < 2 minutes( a similar number of G1 Gaming was wiped out in similar time a day before), such "flash sales" have occurred at least 30 times in the last 2 weeks just going by nowinstock.net's trackers, so much for your made up 2000 unit number.

Remember when Miners were devouring 290/290X stock everyday during late 2013/early 2014 and leaving gamers out to dry? This 1080 shortage is a mirror image of that, only instead of Miners we have Rift/Vive buyers looking for the best performing VR card out there.
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