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At its release the 690 was in every since of the word "flagship." Try again.
The only thing that will be salty is those early adopters of the 1080's tears when the 1080Ti drops at 30% faster and for $100 dollars more then what you paid for a mid-range chip lol. 1080's will then be properly priced at $499 where a cut down mid-range Pascal belongs. I'm looking forward to a pair of 1080Ti Lightnings this fall smile.gif

ROFLMAO.

I don't know which is more funny. You thinking a 1080Ti is only going to be $100 more than a 1080, you thinking it's going to be 30% faster, or you thinking it's going to be out this fall.


As a bare minimum, it's going to be $150 more than the 1080, and likely $200 more for 3rd party AIBs. Exactly like last generation.

It's only going to be around 20% faster, and that will only be in 4K resolution. The 1080 is often CPU bound before it's GPU bound at lower resolutions. Since your limited to a 20% or so performance increase and 4k resolution your real world gains are going to be around 10fps in most cases.

And with the 900 series there was a 9 month gap between the 980 and 980 Ti. I see no reason to expect the 1080 Ti any sooner, making it a March 2017 product release.


And a pair of 1070s in SLI will still be both faster and cheaper.
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Are you sure those cards are being sold by the AIB and not a second party through Amazon doing their best to gouge consumers over msrp?

Newegg has 20 plus 1080 listed and none are near $800. In fact, 2 just break $700 with the rest $699 or less.

So if the cards lose half value at 1080 Ti release, $349 is half.

And when the 980 Ti released you could buy 980s for $275, right?


Nope, you couldn't. They were still $400+ cards. In fact they were still an MSRP of $439 just 3 months ago. The truth is the 980 Ti release resulted in a 15% price drop for the 980. Do you have any legitimate reason to think the 1080 price drop will be any more when the 1080 Ti releases, or is that just a whole ton of wishful thinking on your part?

When the 1080 Ti releases the 1080 prices will range between $500 and $600. Period. There is no legitimate, justifiable reason to even suggest they will be any lower than that.
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And when the 980 Ti released you could buy 980s for $275, right?


Nope, you couldn't. They were still $400+ cards. In fact they were still an MSRP of $439 just 3 months ago. The truth is the 980 Ti release resulted in a 15% price drop for the 980. Do you have any legitimate reason to think the 1080 price drop will be any more when the 1080 Ti releases, or is that just a whole ton of wishful thinking on your part?

When the 1080 Ti releases the 1080 prices will range between $500 and $600. Period. There is no legitimate, justifiable reason to even suggest they will be any lower than that.

If you were actually following the conversation, you wouldn't be asking me that.

I'm looking for the same answer you are from the person who made the statement that prices would drop in half.
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ROFLMAO.

I don't know which is more funny. You thinking a 1080Ti is only going to be $100 more than a 1080, you thinking it's going to be 30% faster, or you thinking it's going to be out this fall.


As a bare minimum, it's going to be $150 more than the 1080, and likely $200 more for 3rd party AIBs. Exactly like last generation.

It's only going to be around 20% faster, and that will only be in 4K resolution. The 1080 is often CPU bound before it's GPU bound at lower resolutions. Since your limited to a 20% or so performance increase and 4k resolution your real world gains are going to be around 10fps in most cases.

And with the 900 series there was a 9 month gap between the 980 and 980 Ti. I see no reason to expect the 1080 Ti any sooner, making it a March 2017 product release.


And a pair of 1070s in SLI will still be both faster and cheaper.

Subbed and copied for when the 1080Ti releases. The 1080 right now is going for $700-750. When the 980Ti dropped it was $650. I only paid $700 for my Lightnings. So you are saying the 1080Ti is going to be $850-900. I swear you guys just don't learn. Either that or you haven't been around long enough to understand how Nvidia does things. You want to pay $700 for a cut-down $500 gpu then more power to you. In the end it will be me laughing at you. Good day.
 
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Subbed and copied for when the 1080Ti releases. The 1080 right now is going for $700-750. When the 980Ti dropped it was $650. I only paid $700 for my Lightnings. So you are saying the 1080Ti is going to be $850-900. I swear you guys just don't learn. Either that or you haven't been around long enough to understand how Nvidia does things. You want to pay $700 for a cut-down $500 gpu then more power to you. In the end it will be me laughing at you. Good day.

To be honest, the price will depends on competition.
If AMD's vega isn't going to perform even nearly close to what nvidia can put out, that can might also cost 1000$ and be declared as the new titan, or a 1080 ti and no new titan release.
If AMD can put a flag ship GPU giving a head to head performance vs nvidia for lets say 600$, than nvidia's card will cost at max 700$ and try to sell it with some added value.

As long as there is no competition, there is absolutely no reason for nvidia to bring a card for a lower price. Mainly, because people will buy them even if they were 1000$, easy (point: Look at all the titan releases and tell me I'm wrong).
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To be honest, the price will depends on competition.
If AMD's vega isn't going to perform even nearly close to what nvidia can put out, that can might also cost 1000$ and be declared as the new titan, or a 1080 ti and no new titan release.
If AMD can put a flag ship GPU giving a head to head performance vs nvidia for lets say 600$, than nvidia's card will cost at max 700$ and try to sell it with some added value.

As long as there is no competition, there is absolutely no reason for nvidia to bring a card for a lower price. Mainly, because people will buy them even if they were 1000$, easy (point: Look at all the titan releases and tell me I'm wrong).

Yes but a 1080ti will not be a fully open Titan. I expect the new Titan to be $1000 just like last year. The 1080Ti will not be over $800. Not when it was $650 last year. People are just getting price raped right now on the 1080. Simple as that. The fact that people are paying $700 right now for a mid-range gpu blows my mind.
 
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The fact that people are paying $700 right now for a mid-range gpu blows my mind.
People are paying $700 for the best GPU on the market, right now. People are not analyzing die size compared to price. People with enough disposable income are making the rational decision of parting with an amount they deem just right or low enough to have the best performance for the next 6 months or so.

If this blows your mind, you've been living a pretty sheltered life.
    
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People are paying $700 for the best GPU on the market, right now. People are not analyzing die size compared to price. People with enough disposable income are making the rational decision of parting with an amount they deem just right or low enough to have the best performance for the next 6 months or so.

If this blows your mind, you've been living a pretty sheltered life.
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Yes but a 1080ti will not be a fully open Titan. I expect the new Titan to be $1000 just like last year. The 1080Ti will not be over $800. Not when it was $650 last year. People are just getting price raped right now on the 1080. Simple as that. The fact that people are paying $700 right now for a mid-range gpu blows my mind.

You seem to forget one thing though. The GTX 980 was $500 last year, now the 1080 is priced at $600+ (In very few cases is it actually close to $600, it's more around $650+ but I digress). So I don't see how you can say that the 1080ti can't possibly be priced at $800.
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