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0.33x = 0.022x + 0.3
0.3278x = 0.3
x = 0.915915...

It is more fair than PayPal for donations up to 91 cents and less fair for donations down to 92 cents.

Of course, having money go to Twitch means that their servers can, ya know, operate. Arguably it's a better option than PayPal. However, a $3 donation loses 37 cents on its way through PayPal and 99 cents through this (assuming the 33% number is accurate and does not change) meaning the streamer gets 76.3% as much/23.7% less. That's a significant amount, but... I dunno. Twitch probably needs the cash. YouTube to this day isn't profitable I don't believe.

EDIT: Oh, wait, here's a better option: Twitch takes a flat 2%. Not only does the streamer get more money from an equivalent donation, Twitch also gets a cut of that. Not much, sure, but more than what they are getting with PayPal by a factor of infinity.
Very few streamers who actually make a good amount of money from donations allow $1 dollar donations. A lot of people will literally just spam $1 donations with hate or racist remarks so it also alleviates that to an extent. I don't even know if you can do less than $1. Secondly, Twitch already takes ~$1.50 from the $5.00 subscription price which is the main amount of income for most streamers. Twitch also has their Turbo system where they take all the money. I'm sure they also get a portion of the ad money.
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Yeah they'd be green with jealousy just like if they found out how much a stripper makes but they still would not consider it a real job.
See above. It's a joke of a job, just like professional athletes are.

Out of sheer curiosity, what do you do for a living?
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no thanks, i'd rather just donate via paypal and pay the fees myself. anyone who really cares about the streamer donates anyway.
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Very few streamers who actually make a good amount of money from donations allow $1 dollar donations. A lot of people will literally just spam $1 donations with hate or racist remarks so it also alleviates that to an extent. I don't even know if you can do less than $1. Secondly, Twitch already takes ~$1.50 from the $5.00 subscription price which is the main amount of income for most streamers. Twitch also has their Turbo system where they take all the money. I'm sure they also get a portion of the ad money.

They allow it, but they just set up a minimum amount for notifications to pop up on stream usually though. Also depending on their viewership/org they might be able to negotiate with twitch on their cut from subs.
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They allow it, but they just set up a minimum amount for notifications to pop up on stream usually though. Also depending on their viewership/org they might be able to negotiate with twitch on their cut from subs.

No. There are no negotiations with twitch on the sub %'s...It's a set amount and that's it...

You also have to remember that Amazon owns Twitch so...It's rather important for Twitch to be self sustaining at this point...Which it wasn't really there yet...Thus the bits etc.
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They allow it, but they just set up a minimum amount for notifications to pop up on stream usually though. Also depending on their viewership/org they might be able to negotiate with twitch on their cut from subs.
Even if they do allow less than $1, it's an incredibly small amount of donations. In general, people want the streamer to notice and acknowledge the sub/donation and thank them. The small donations are almost always troll donations, so if you can't see or have them read, people won't donate that amount. Nothing as far as Twitch cut for subscriptions is negotiable. The earliest streamers to gain partner status do not have ads on their stream. That's really it.
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No. There are no negotiations with twitch on the sub %'s...It's a set amount and that's it...

You also have to remember that Amazon owns Twitch so...It's rather important for Twitch to be self sustaining at this point...Which it wasn't really there yet...Thus the bits etc.

How was it not really there yet? Subscriptions, ad revenue, and Turbo all directly contributed to Twitch/Amazon in some way before Bits. I keep noticing people comparing Twitch to Youtube, but even the top Youtubers don't have a popular system to give a lot back to Youtube. Ads are a bigger thing on Youtube, but there's not much more than that.
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How was it not really there yet? Subscriptions, ad revenue, and Turbo all directly contributed to Twitch/Amazon in some way before Bits. I keep noticing people comparing Twitch to Youtube, but even the top Youtubers don't have a popular system to give a lot back to Youtube. Ads are a bigger thing on Youtube, but there's not much more than that.

Erm Twitch is live...Which requires 2-3x the support that Youtube does due to viewers actually watching a LIVE HD STREAM in congress.

1 million people watching a 480-1080 video a million times a day at random intervals is less stress on a server then 100k people watching HD streams, live from HD streamers.

Twitch hasn't been there for a long time.
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Erm Twitch is live...Which requires 2-3x the support that Youtube does due to viewers actually watching a LIVE HD STREAM in congress.

1 million people watching a 480-1080 video a million times a day at random intervals is less stress on a server then 100k people watching HD streams, live from HD streamers.

Twitch hasn't been there for a long time.

Why exactly is it so much more demanding? Both services offer different qualities. Twitch at max is about half the bitrate of Youtube at max assuming you follow the guidelines which the major streamers generally do. Youtube is 8Mbps for 30 FPS and 12Mbps for 60 FPS at 1080, while the max you're supposed to use on Twitch is 4Mbps. You may be right about it being much more demanding, but 10x as your 2nd point references seems like nonsense. Regardless, I'd like the hear the specifics as to why it's so much more.
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Why exactly is it so much more demanding? Both services offer different qualities. Twitch at max is about half the bitrate of Youtube at max assuming you follow the guidelines which the major streamers generally do. Youtube is 8Mbps for 30 FPS and 12Mbps for 60 FPS at 1080, while the max you're supposed to use on Twitch is 4Mbps. You may be right about it being much more demanding, but 10x as your 2nd point references seems like nonsense. Regardless, I'd like the hear the specifics as to why it's so much more.

/Sigh - I love it when people pretend to be admins.

It's about the immediate demand.

Twitch requires bandwidth on each server to essentially host over a few hundred thousand people, live, hourly...Not to mention, storing if they're actually recording...Etc etc etc.

Youtube functions on google's backend thus, even the encoding/decoding are entirely different processes...

EDIT: Edited out an errant e...It bothered me.
Edited by Masked - 7/1/16 at 8:58am
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