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No it won't. It just means it will maybe consume less than the RX 480. Anyways i don't like talking about things i don't even know unlike someone else over here,leave the crystal ball at home will ya? rolleyes.gif
LOL at you thinking that it is my duty to understand the particular way you meant it. You wrote that,it came off as that. TDP is not the same as effective power consumption.

So no, the RX 480 is not a 150W card.

Gold is right, you want to say something, say it coherently. This isn't a game where we all try and understand you.
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As useless as 2 480s in Crossfire when there is the 1080.

How good is the 980 in 4K or 1440p?

How much information do you think a GPU of this power needs to access at once to justify 8 GB of VRAM?

Even at 4K, the GPU computational power would be it's limit.
Consider that, right now, there are games that do not run properly on 770's due to the 2GB VRAM limit. Forza 6 needs 4GB to run smoothly, SoM and GTA V love VRAM as well. Other games, like wolfenstein the new order, need 3GB to run maxed out at 1080p. the 770 is more then capable of doing that. the 4GB 770 does not have any of these performance issues. only the 2GB model has problems.

Now consider that the 980 was faster then a 780ti at time when it launched, and was easily 40% faster then the 770. The 770 is already VRAM limited at 2 GB, and we have a game that needs 4GB to run. the 480, if it runs at 980 level, would be 40% faster then a 770, easy. So if the 770 already is VRAM limited, who is to say that the 4GB limit will always be fine for a 480?

It works fine today, but what about a year from now? If you told me that a game would come out that would need 4GB to run smoothly on a 770, I'd have thought you were insane. VRAM requirements have been ballooning up fairly quickly this past year, and it wouldnt surprise me to see 4GB become a limit a year or two from now.

Considering that not everyone likes replacing their GPUs every other year, the 8GB model is more future proof.
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If is less powerful than 970, I will wait all of the open box cards to be had for cheap at micro center.

If nvidia shrink 970 die, and overclock potential, it could be $50 less than 480.

Wait for more results, but this is disappointment if not 980 equivalent.
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Consider that, right now, there are games that do not run properly on 770's due to the 2GB VRAM limit. Forza 6 needs 4GB to run smoothly,

Not going to argue about your main point, there is a place for an 8GB model for sure, but what I will say is my 3GB card doesn't get maxed out on high settings on Forza, yes for max you probably require 4GB (It won't let me activate max due to system memory or vram not sure which one)

1080p obviously.
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If is less powerful than 970, I will wait all of the open box cards to be had for cheap at micro center.

If nvidia shrink 970 die, and overclock potential, it could be $50 less than 480.

Wait for more results, but this is disappointment if not 980 equivalent.
OK, hang on here. When was polaris less powerful then a 970? The rumor was always that it was 970 equivelant at the very worst.

Second, nvidia won't die shrink the 970. They are using pascal now, not maxwell. Only the absolute lowest end models typically carry a gpu generation forward, like the 920m, but those dont get die shrinks. The money needed to transition maxwell to 14nm would be much better spent on getting the 1060 out the door
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Not going to argue about your main point, there is a place for an 8GB model for sure, but what I will say is my 3GB card doesn't get maxed out on high settings on Forza, yes for max you probably require 4GB (It won't let me activate max due to system memory or vram not sure which one)

1080p obviously.
Correct, lower settings dont have the same issue, its max at 1080p that needs 4GB. Really, the question is will 4GB be enough for even high settings in two years? The 4GB 770 can run the game at max 1080p 60 FPS, the 2GB 770 can only do medium, and even then it has issues with dropping into the 40s. the 4GB 480 could see the same issue a year or two from now, where the GPU gets hamstrung by vRAM.
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If is less powerful than 970, I will wait all of the open box cards to be had for cheap at micro center.

If nvidia shrink 970 die, and overclock potential, it could be $50 less than 480.

Wait for more results, but this is disappointment if not 980 equivalent.

It's about as fast as a reference 980 on a pre release driver according to the scraps of paper some kid in Poland found on the highway.
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Correct, lower settings dont have the same issue, its max at 1080p that needs 4GB. Really, the question is will 4GB be enough for even high settings in two years? The 4GB 770 can run the game at max 1080p 60 FPS, the 2GB 770 can only do medium, and even then it has issues with dropping into the 40s. the 4GB 480 could see the same issue a year or two from now, where the GPU gets hamstrung by vRAM.

You won't see me buying a 4GB in 2016, that's like people who bought a 2GB 770................the shame of it. biggrin.gif
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It's about as fast as a reference 980 on a pre release driver according to the scraps of paper some kid in Poland found on the highway.

These drivers are almost 1 month old.
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So it is pretty much confirmed there is a newer driver in the works/ready for release day.

So all the leaks are running an older driver, doesn't surprise me and performance is looking good if about on par with a reference 980 already.
it appears that that is indeed the case. There is actually a person saying that he can't give the NDA driver just now to the guy that has his card already.
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Consider that, right now, there are games that do not run properly on 770's due to the 2GB VRAM limit. Forza 6 needs 4GB to run smoothly, SoM and GTA V love VRAM as well. Other games, like wolfenstein the new order, need 3GB to run maxed out at 1080p. the 770 is more then capable of doing that. the 4GB 770 does not have any of these performance issues. only the 2GB model has problems.

Now consider that the 980 was faster then a 780ti at time when it launched, and was easily 40% faster then the 770. The 770 is already VRAM limited at 2 GB, and we have a game that needs 4GB to run. the 480, if it runs at 980 level, would be 40% faster then a 770, easy. So if the 770 already is VRAM limited, who is to say that the 4GB limit will always be fine for a 480?

It works fine today, but what about a year from now? If you told me that a game would come out that would need 4GB to run smoothly on a 770, I'd have thought you were insane. VRAM requirements have been ballooning up fairly quickly this past year, and it wouldnt surprise me to see 4GB become a limit a year or two from now.

Considering that not everyone likes replacing their GPUs every other year, the 8GB model is more future proof.

Yeah, but those future games are going to tank your FPS even if you have 8 GB of VRAM. So then what do you do? Turn down a few settings, which also reduced your VRAM requirement.

I just think the $200 4 GB 480 would be the best value for 1080p users.

With future games, "ultra" textures might be pointless unless you're at 4K.

... to add, I applaud AMD for not pricing the 8 GB 480 $50 more than the 4 GB version
Edited by umeng2002 - 6/28/16 at 7:33am
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Yeah, but those future games are going to tank your FPS even if you have 8 GB of VRAM. So then what do you do? Turn down a few settings, which also reduced your VRAM requirement.

I just think the $200 4 GB 480 would be the best value for 1080p users.

With future games, "ultra" textures might be pointless unless you're at 4K.

Not necessarily, that's what everyone thought back in the 'you'll be fine with 2GB at 1080p forever' days.

It's just not the case, and AMD 7000 series owners have made use of their 3GB vram over time even though it was seen as overkill for the card's core power.

I'm not saying you can't get away with 4GB for a fair while, but for a bit more you may as well get 8GB and never run into the issue.
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