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Originally Posted by Ihateallmice View Post

most of which got it for free and still don't even use it as their daily driver. no idea why you'd even bother to comment on what I said about its competitive viability of g900 when all you can say is there are some people on overclock.net that likes it and talks about it.
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Originally Posted by Wphantom View Post

this mouse is exactly the same as the g900... after chemo

There ya go. That about sums up my qualm with the comparison.
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Originally Posted by dlano View Post

Your original statement was questioning why we thought the G900 wasn't all that great for competitive FPS, we replied that like the G502 they're not popular with pros due to things like shape and weight.
You then posted links of people who've posted on this forum saying how much they like the mouse.

Lets be clear, those people have shelled out a lot and most people will ignore faults, or aren't experienced enough to recognise issues. Pros are in the unique position of being able to pick whichever of their sponsors mice they'd like free from any buyers remorse.

I mistook competitive to be synonymous with pros. Plenty of OCNers including myself play competitive FPS games. More clarification than 'competitive FPS' could have been made if you both wanted to jump down my throat.

Regardless, the comparison to the mouse in the OP was very poorly made.
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post #32 of 91
Looks like it will weigh >300g.
post #33 of 91
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Originally Posted by Ihateallmice View Post

G900 has proven what exactly? And why would anyone trust reviews from people that have something to gain from giving a certain product a positive review?

G900 will never see any real use in competitive FPS and the only reason anyone would ever use it is because they're stuck with a Logitech sponsorship and their hands can't take the pain from holding the G303 for hours every day. Every time you see these pros that use logitech get dropped or leave a team, they instantly change their mice. Every. Single. Time. Logitech mice are just the worst for competitive FPS. The only thing decent is g303 simply because some people are lucky enough to have alien hands that can survive the torture that is using that shell. But even then the second they're not bound by sponsorship rules, they'll drop the mouse real quick. On the bright side, maybe the new logitech mouse that was spotted last CS tourney will be good. Maybe.

But hey, let's not let CS pros get in the way of biased overclock reviews.

What do you define as "real use" pros have already used it at csgo lans. I could make an equally long or longer list of complaints about most mice probably with more objective problems instead of random complaints like complaining about the weight when the DA and rival which are quite popular are around the same weight.
post #34 of 91
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Originally Posted by Vyrth View Post

Weight and shape comes down to preference, and the G900 is in no way heavy. If you think it's heavy, time to hit the gym.

Comments like that show a gross misunderstanding of why people have a preference for light mice.

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I mistook competitive to be synonymous with pros. Plenty of OCNers including myself play competitive FPS games. More clarification than 'competitive FPS' could have been made if you both wanted to jump down my throat.

My apologies then, when I think of "competitive" gaming, I always take it literally in terms of actual competition like tournaments or leagues rather than pub play. But I wasn't trying to jump down your throat, just pointing out that the pros seem to avoid those particular mice for a reason, and those reasons may not apply to the average gamer since they are a completely different use case. They play several times the amount we do at least.
Edited by dlano - 6/28/16 at 5:07pm
post #35 of 91
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Comments like that show a gross misunderstanding of why people have a preference for light mice.

Mmh, I would say 105g (Rival, DA, etc.) would be the max I would ever go, I used to have the G502.

While I could use it properly with my very low sensitivity at the time in CS... I wouldn't see the benefit of a heavy mouse, if you want more static friction just get a proper mousepad. And anyone who thinks it might be okay to play on a high sensitivity with this thing, you're gonna kill your wrist over time.

Not that I'm a special snowflake, give me a G502 and I'll do well. But I just don't see the point anymore while I could play as well with a 90g mouse instead and be more comfortable.
post #36 of 91
In case you want to complain about this mouse, here's a template:
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OMG! It not's the not the mouse with <INSERT NITPICKY LIST OF FEATURES> using the 3360/3366 I've been waiting for all my life.

<INSERT RANDOM FEATURE> is ridiculous! You never need that in <INSERT COMPETITIVE GAME>.
post #37 of 91
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Comments like that show a gross misunderstanding of why people have a preference for light mice.

I was just exaggerating a bit, just like people do it with the weight of the G900 which is at 107g no where near being too heavy. I understand why people have a preference for light mice, but I don't understand people that think a mouse with 107g wouldn't work in competitive gaming, like that guy above.
post #38 of 91
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In case you want to complain about this mouse, here's a template:
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OMG! It not's the not the mouse with <INSERT NITPICKY LIST OF FEATURES> using the 3360/3366 I've been waiting for all my life.

<INSERT RANDOM FEATURE> is ridiculous! You never need that in <INSERT COMPETITIVE GAME>.

I kind of feel like people may occasionally need reminding that a PC is not a game console, but rather a multi-purpose device capable of performing many functions, and that it is therefore completely legitimate for a PC peripheral to incorporate features that are primarily useful in other contexts as well as gaming features. If the peripheral is sufficiently flexible that those other features can also be made to serve some purpose in games if desired by the user, then so much the better.
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post #39 of 91
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Comments like that show a gross misunderstanding of why people have a preference for light mice.

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My apologies then, when I think of "competitive" gaming, I always take it literally in terms of actual competition like tournaments or leagues rather than pub play. But I wasn't trying to jump down your throat, just pointing out that the pros seem to avoid those particular mice for a reason, and those reasons may not apply to the average gamer since they are a completely different use case. They play several times the amount we do at least.

Maybe you should explain why then. I like fairly light mice, but IMO there is definitely such a thing as too light. Also I have heard professional and semi-professional players actually say mice were too light or that they preferred heavier mice (usually referring to around DA or Rival weight though). To me it is definitely a preference. Not every piece of equipment for anything vaguely sports-like needs to be as light as possible. Juggling is actually the most similar thing I've done as far as the types of movements required and things like that and there too lighter isn't always definitely better. I do 3 ball technical juggling though which is many small quick patterns that require quick precision movements instead of high throws with a ton of balls. Anyway interestingly enough juggling balls range from around 80g-150g with most probably 90g-130g. Trying to juggle light things is actually really annoying. Heavier things do get tiring quite quickly and you definitely don't want to juggle anything heavier than 150g for several hours. Hell I use 150g balls and if I haven't been juggling regularly my arms get tired quite quickly. I would prefer slightly lighter balls, but I use the ones I have because they have LEDs XD. LED juggling > LED mousing though.
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A lot of people pointed out that it tilts and they don't want it to, if you looked at the video you would see you can adjust it so it doesn't, But I'm going to use the feature for my FPS games but when i play wow I don't want it to so I'll adjust it so it doesn't tilt as it shows in the video lol. My misses not only plays on her pc but she also works on it doing graphic designing and so I reckon the feature will come in pretty handy hence why I backed it on kick starter and got two. The price is in USD and we are in New Zealand but im happy to pay for a good bit of kit haha.
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