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That's your POV.
If the 1060 3GB performs well and better than RX480 8GB, I don't see where is the problem.
If the GPU is a turd, putting 16GB on it won't change anything.
nVidia seems to have made great progress in memory utilization compared to the past.
The GTX 970 is 3.5GB + 0.5GB and performs really well causing troubles to the brand new Polaris 14nm for example, even in the 8GB version.

The problem is we already have games that use >3GB even at 1080p (Dying Light: The Following and DOOM) in 2016, so any card released with just 3GB of vram in 2016 will have little longevity. I mean it just astounds me people can't seem to grasp this.
Edited by magnek - 6/30/16 at 9:36am
post #112 of 199
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The problem is we already have games that use >3GB even at 1080p (Dying Light: The Following and DOOM) in 2016, so any card released with just 3GB of vram in 2016 will have little longevity. I mean it just astounds me people can't seem to grasp this.

Does it really astound you? rolleyes.gif
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Yes, because what other rational (ie non-emotion or kneejerk based) reason could I possibly have for me to say "3GB is just criminal/3GB should be banned in 2016"?
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Assuming the 1060gtx will be faster as Nvidia is superior on performance right now, I wonder how absurd it would sound to say
" if the 1060gtx doesn't match a 1070 at stock, or overclock around stock 1080gtx speeds then it is a fail!"

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Yes, because what other rational (ie non-emotion or kneejerk based) reason could I possibly have for me to say "3GB is just criminal/3GB should be banned in 2016"?

People are rarely rational. R&P discussions aren't allowed because of it.
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Assuming the 1060gtx will be faster as Nvidia is superior on performance right now, I wonder how absurd it would sound to say
" if the 1060gtx doesn't match a 1070 at stock, or overclock around stock 1080gtx speeds then it is a fail!"

Where is Chev when you need him?

He still hasn't responded to my correction where he claims the GTX 1070 has 33% less Cuda Cores than the GTX 1080. He mixed up 3/4 and 4/3 when going between the two.
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judging Nvidia's cadence for Pascal this is most likely going to perform like a 980 for $250 - 275, which is interesting...maybe?
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GTX 1060 might be the cut version of the 970 without the broken .5 GB maybe? who knows, if they are going to release a 3GB version it would make no sense at all.
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post #119 of 199
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Assuming the 1060gtx will be faster as Nvidia is superior on performance right now, I wonder how absurd it would sound to say
" if the 1060gtx doesn't match a 1070 at stock, or overclock around stock 1080gtx speeds then it is a fail!"

Where is Chev when you need him?

AMD cards are judge on how good they are vs their competitors as is Nvidia's. However, when Nvidia takes lead, the longterm ramifications are more serious.

When Nvidia makes products as good as AMD, they tend to slowly take away take marketshare and sales from AMD. If they have product better than AMD, they ransack AMD marketshare. It takes products with superior all around everything for AMD to take back marketshare.

Considering the characteristics of the rx480 and architectural inferiority of polaris so far shown by it's poor performance per mm and performance per watt, AMD left the door wide open for Nvidia to make a better product.

The 1920 for example is able to perform similarly to a titan x which has 3072 shaders. Which means 1920 pascal shaders can perform like 3072 maxwell ones. This is 60% more.

At this point, it looks like the specs of the gp106 are 1280 shaders with a 192bit bus.

Using this ratio, 1280 and multiplying it by 1.6, we get 2048 which is the amount of shaders the gtx 980 had. What this means is actual gtx 980 performance is well within their grasp and a touch beyond that if the 1070 is any indication.

If pascals performance per watt is carried over. This should mean the product actually consumes 100-110 watts. Add in die shots are showing 190mm2 die and technically what do you have? A product that fulfills people expectations which they originally had for Polaris rather then their let down ones. A card that performs better than gtx 980 while consuming 110 watts. This is a pretty safe prediction since we know the technical performance characteristics of the pascal architecture.

In other words, a card that performs 10% better than a rx480, uses 66-70% of the power while being 18% smaller. Basically a recipe to destroys polaris 10 sales when you add in the Nvidia brand.

If this was nvidia situation, they could likely market it in a way where they probably wouldn't lose much marketshare and their namesake would carry them. However since this is AMD and this could be their situation soon, this is what I am worried about. It could lead to a repeat of what happened with the gtx 680 launch and the 980 launch, since those performance metrics above are what happened with those two launches.

The difference is AMD graphic division is on it's last legs, and there is no room for pricecuts for polaris. AMD graphic divisions survival is contingent on Nvidia being short term greedy and pricing their products high.

The technical characteristics matching closer to maxwell than pascal should have people worried. It ultimately determines, how high a product can be sold for and how low a product can be price with and still make money. With Nvidia's brand advantage, it doesn't look good for AMD.
post #120 of 199
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The problem is we already have games that use >3GB even at 1080p (Dying Light: The Following and DOOM) in 2016, so any card released with just 3GB of vram in 2016 will have little longevity. I mean it just astounds me people can't seem to grasp this.


I agree now however I remember this same argument back with the gtx 580, it ran out of power before it ran out of vram. I think it's the case most the time the people that bought the 380/390s/970s with 8gb vram for 1080p will run out of power before ever needing to go above 4gb vram. Most likely the same with this card, it being an entry level card with high end vram it will run out of power first. People will be upgrading the 480 for the lack of fps/graphical power before they do for the vram even the 4gb versions.

It was actually the reason I bought the 6970 over the 580 that gen for the vram then had to upgrade not to long after for more performance(and for noise made the mistake of getting a reference cooler, sounded like a jet), and I never needed anywhere near 2gb vram back then nevermind 3. That's when I learned for the most part vram is just a marketing tool to a certain extent obviously, one that amd usually employ to counter nvidias better performance off the bat.

I know dual solutions are a different story but it's such a niche market I don't really consider it, besides if someones budget was $400ish I would think most would go for a 1070 over two 480's i.e the best single solution you can afford at the time.
Edited by sugalumps - 6/30/16 at 1:55pm
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