Originally Posted by dagget3450
Assuming the 1060gtx will be faster as Nvidia is superior on performance right now, I wonder how absurd it would sound to say
" if the 1060gtx doesn't match a 1070 at stock, or overclock around stock 1080gtx speeds then it is a fail!"
Where is Chev when you need him?
AMD cards are judge on how good they are vs their competitors as is Nvidia's. However, when Nvidia takes lead, the longterm ramifications are more serious.
When Nvidia makes products as good as AMD, they tend to slowly take away take marketshare and sales from AMD. If they have product better than AMD, they ransack AMD marketshare. It takes products with superior all around everything for AMD to take back marketshare.
Considering the characteristics of the rx480 and architectural inferiority of polaris so far shown by it's poor performance per mm and performance per watt, AMD left the door wide open for Nvidia to make a better product.
The 1920 for example is able to perform similarly to a titan x which has 3072 shaders. Which means 1920 pascal shaders can perform like 3072 maxwell ones. This is 60% more.
At this point, it looks like the specs of the gp106 are 1280 shaders with a 192bit bus.
Using this ratio, 1280 and multiplying it by 1.6, we get 2048 which is the amount of shaders the gtx 980 had. What this means is actual gtx 980 performance is well within their grasp and a touch beyond that if the 1070 is any indication.
If pascals performance per watt is carried over. This should mean the product actually consumes 100-110 watts. Add in die shots are showing 190mm2 die and technically what do you have? A product that fulfills people expectations which they originally had for Polaris rather then their let down ones. A card that performs better than gtx 980 while consuming 110 watts. This is a pretty safe prediction since we know the technical performance characteristics of the pascal architecture.
In other words, a card that performs 10% better than a rx480, uses 66-70% of the power while being 18% smaller. Basically a recipe to destroys polaris 10 sales when you add in the Nvidia brand.
If this was nvidia situation, they could likely market it in a way where they probably wouldn't lose much marketshare and their namesake would carry them. However since this is AMD and this could be their situation soon, this is what I am worried about. It could lead to a repeat of what happened with the gtx 680 launch and the 980 launch, since those performance metrics above are what happened with those two launches.
The difference is AMD graphic division is on it's last legs, and there is no room for pricecuts for polaris. AMD graphic divisions survival is contingent on Nvidia being short term greedy and pricing their products high.
The technical characteristics matching closer to maxwell than pascal should have people worried. It ultimately determines, how high a product can be sold for and how low a product can be price with and still make money. With Nvidia's brand advantage, it doesn't look good for AMD.