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Lovely. And what exactly would they get sued for? Does eBay get sued when users sell stolen merchandise?

If you knew anything about online transactions you'd know that literally every purchase method has a moneyback method in case of fraud. How does that equate to them knowing people are selling fraudulent keys? It does not,but nice try to preach your agenda.

By the way,you are no one to define what paying customers or people who steal games do.

It's illegal to fence stolen goods. That's been the case for a very long time. In this case, because it's so rampant on G2A, they can not even play dumb and claim that they didn't really know it was stolen. No, they do know this. There's tons of controversy surrounding the site because of that.

I do know things about online transactions. For example, I know that I should not need to contact the credit card company or PayPal because of a bad product. I should be able to go directly to the retailer and say that. G2A allows you to... But only if you pay a fee for their protection. (I have to assume this is illegal under consumer protection laws somewhere - charging for an extended warranty is fine but charging for any warranty at all seems a bit sketchy.)

I'm not defining anything. Do I look like a dictionary to you?! I am however explaining what's happening: people who are paying customers are going to G2A, assuming it is a legitimate business. They see some great prices there, so they buy from them. What the customer doesn't know is that those keys they just purchased were originally obtained via fraud and neither the developer nor publisher got a cent out of it. It would benefit the publisher exactly as much in this case to pirate the game. Actually, it might be detrimental - everybody knows piracy is illegal, but buying from G2A makes it look legitimate.
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We still need to know the percentage of fraudulently obtains keys that are on there.
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Steam doesn't set sale prices. That's the dev's or publisher's decision.


Oh man. This is glorious. So, basically, G2A is allowing devs 10% of the profits. Is this comparable to bribery? I'd say yes. "Hey guys, if you sue us out of existence, you won't get some of this sweet dosh." I think it'd be an objectively good thing if G2A and sites like it went out of business. Paying customers don't go to sites where credit card fraud is the standard, and people who steal the games just stick to torrents. Like, the fact that they offer "purchase protection" for money as a standard thing on the marketplace is pretty telling. They have so many issues with fraudulent keys that they need this feature, but they still try to make money off it.

What??? I use g2a for most of my games, if not all. And I don't really care who gets the money, as long as I get what I paid for
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What??? I use g2a for most of my games, if not all. And I don't really care who gets the money, as long as I get what I paid for

And this is why g2a is a problem. People more often than not dont care that they are buying stolen keys. They just see a game key for pennies and buy. No thought to the fact they are paying for a key that could be revoked at any time if its flagged as stolen, and then complain that the game company 'relieved' them of their legitimate purchase.
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It's illegal to fence stolen goods. That's been the case for a very long time. In this case, because it's so rampant on G2A, they can not even play dumb and claim that they didn't really know it was stolen. No, they do know this. There's tons of controversy surrounding the site because of that.

I do know things about online transactions. For example, I know that I should not need to contact the credit card company or PayPal because of a bad product. I should be able to go directly to the retailer and say that. G2A allows you to... But only if you pay a fee for their protection. (I have to assume this is illegal under consumer protection laws somewhere - charging for an extended warranty is fine but charging for any warranty at all seems a bit sketchy.)

I'm not defining anything. Do I look like a dictionary to you?! I am however explaining what's happening: people who are paying customers are going to G2A, assuming it is a legitimate business. They see some great prices there, so they buy from them. What the customer doesn't know is that those keys they just purchased were originally obtained via fraud and neither the developer nor publisher got a cent out of it. It would benefit the publisher exactly as much in this case to pirate the game. Actually, it might be detrimental - everybody knows piracy is illegal, but buying from G2A makes it look legitimate.
Please may you provide proof that keys obtained via credit card fraud are the norm on G2A? Even better may you provide proof that the keys sold on G2A are obtained via fraud at all.

G2A marketplace is not the same as retailers. They are like ebay,a marketplace of keys. When you get screwed on ebay,PayPal has got your back with the buyer protection. When you get screwed in a online purchase your CC has your back with chargebacks. Does that mean both PayPal and your bank know that you will get screwed and are contributing to that? No. If you get screwed on eBay it's no one's but the seller's fault. No different here.

You do not know what a marketplace is. All G2A does is provide their service,a very popular marketplace where you can sell keys,and probably they get a cut,mind you just like eBay or Amazon marketplace.

Now,i don't know any form of payment that covers digital goods. They are charging you because their time is not for free,they hire people who monitor the moment you activate your key.

You are not obliged to buy it,the same way you are not obliged to use PayPal when you buy from eBay. The fact they offer extra protection in a marketplace does not in any way translate to them doing 50/50 with scammers.

it is not G2A's fault if people are doing CC fraud. Get over it,you're barking at the wrong tree.

Not to mention how incredibly desilusional is to think AAA delevopers will allow randos on a marketplace to screw them with CC fraud for years.
Edited by GoLDii3 - 6/28/16 at 2:20pm
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Please may you provide proof that keys obtained via credit card fraud are the norm on G2A? Even better may you provide proof that the keys sold on G2A are obtained via fraud at all.

G2A marketplace is not the same as retailers. They are like ebay,a marketplace of keys. When you get screwed on ebay,PayPal has got your back with the buyer protection. When you get screwed in a online purchase your CC has your back with chargebacks. Does that mean both PayPal and your bank know that you will get screwed and are contributing to that? No. If you get screwed on eBay it's no one's but the seller's fault. No different here.

You do not know what a marketplace is. All G2A does is provide their service,a very popular marketplace where you can sell keys,and probably they get a cut,mind you just like eBay or Amazon marketplace.

Now,i don't know any form of payment that covers digital goods. They are charging you because their time is not for free,they hire people who monitor the moment you activate your key.

You are not obliged to buy it,the same way you are not obliged to use PayPal when you buy from eBay. The fact they offer extra protection in a marketplace does not in any way translate to them doing 50/50 with scammers.

it is not G2A's fault if people are doing CC fraud. Get over it,you're barking at the wrong tree.

Not to mention how incredibly desilusional is to think AAA delevopers will allow randos on a marketplace to screw them with CC fraud for years.

Devs and Publishers want total control of the market place.
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No thought to the fact they are paying for a key that could be revoked at any time if its flagged as stolen
Ive heard this happen once or twice with Origin/UPlay keys, as well as Steam gifts

but never with a digital Steam key
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Publishers and devs need to vet who they sell bulk keys to.

Steam, Origin, and Uplay can handle weeding out the single-purchase fraud cases because they're tied to user accounts.

What do Publishers think will happen when Artyom & Gang's™ Eastern European Import/ Export business buys 10,000 key from them with 500 different VISA and Mastercards?
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It's illegal to fence stolen goods. That's been the case for a very long time. In this case, because it's so rampant on G2A, they can not even play dumb and claim that they didn't really know it was stolen. No, they do know this. There's tons of controversy surrounding the site because of that.

I do know things about online transactions. For example, I know that I should not need to contact the credit card company or PayPal because of a bad product. I should be able to go directly to the retailer and say that. G2A allows you to... But only if you pay a fee for their protection. (I have to assume this is illegal under consumer protection laws somewhere - charging for an extended warranty is fine but charging for any warranty at all seems a bit sketchy.)

I'm not defining anything. Do I look like a dictionary to you?! I am however explaining what's happening: people who are paying customers are going to G2A, assuming it is a legitimate business. They see some great prices there, so they buy from them. What the customer doesn't know is that those keys they just purchased were originally obtained via fraud and neither the developer nor publisher got a cent out of it. It would benefit the publisher exactly as much in this case to pirate the game. Actually, it might be detrimental - everybody knows piracy is illegal, but buying from G2A makes it look legitimate.
Please may you provide proof that keys obtained via credit card fraud are the norm on G2A? Even better may you provide proof that the keys sold on G2A are obtained via fraud at all.

G2A marketplace is not the same as retailers. They are like ebay,a marketplace of keys. When you get screwed on ebay,PayPal has got your back with the buyer protection. When you get screwed in a online purchase your CC has your back with chargebacks. Does that mean both PayPal and your bank know that you will get screwed and are contributing to that? No. If you get screwed on eBay it's no one's but the seller's fault. No different here.

You do not know what a marketplace is. All G2A does is provide their service,a very popular marketplace where you can sell keys,and probably they get a cut,mind you just like eBay or Amazon marketplace.

Now,i don't know any form of payment that covers digital goods. They are charging you because their time is not for free,they hire people who monitor the moment you activate your key.

You are not obliged to buy it,the same way you are not obliged to use PayPal when you buy from eBay. The fact they offer extra protection in a marketplace does not in any way translate to them doing 50/50 with scammers.

it is not G2A's fault if people are doing CC fraud. Get over it,you're barking at the wrong tree.

Not to mention how incredibly desilusional is to think AAA delevopers will allow randos on a marketplace to screw them with CC fraud for years.
Is there a reason you're not addressing his point that, as a company, they should intervene if the amount of fraud reaches an uncomfortable point?

I'm all for the free market, but if you, as an entity and/or company, know your services and platform are being abused by criminals, should you continue to ignore it for the sake of "sticking it to the man"?

Paid reviews on Amazon come to mind.
    
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What??? I use g2a for most of my games, if not all. And I don't really care who gets the money, as long as I get what I paid for

This mentality makes literally no sense to me. At that point, why not just pay nothing and pirate the game directly.

Buying stolen keys does more harm than directly pirating and has literally no gains.

Not that I'm advocating piracy or anything, but seriously, if you are going to be a leech on society, at least do it in a way that is less harmful to both yourself and the people providing your free meals.
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