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Originally Posted by umeng2002 View Post

What do devs and publishers value more?

The ease and "patchability" of digital distribution or the clamping down of fraudulently obtained copies?

Because selling your game on DVDs with disc-in-tray checks might really stop this too.

Perhaps a "cooling off" period where it takes 31 days for a transaction to fully clear... that would really stop this to...

Devs and publisher CAN clamp down on this but they don't since they know it would hurt sales over all.


Back when i was like 12, playing Diablo 2. I'd have my brother boot the game first, then i'd take the disc to my computer, and play on a different region with the same key, and CD. Nothing malicious, i was just 12 redface.gif

It's also very easy to mount an ISO on a virtual DVD drive now.
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Back when i was like 12, playing Diablo 2. I'd have my brother boot the game first, then i'd take the disc to my computer, and play on a different region with the same key, and CD. Nothing malicious, i was just 12 redface.gif

It's also very easy to mount an ISO on a virtual DVD drive now.

I would assume with newer disc-check technology.
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So I don't really get this whole thing, can somebody enlighten me, please? People selling allegedly stolen keys – where do they get these keys from or how do they obtain them to warrant the label 'stolen'? Are they hacked from a database or something? Can anyone please describe the 'fraud' that is committed there?

 

The keys are bought with stolen credit card info, then sold onto G2A as a way to launder money. When the owner of the credit card realizes someone spent a ton of money on game keys, they contact their bank to do a chargeback, then those keys become invalidated. At this point, the devs/publishers can do one of two things.

 

  1. Remove the game from the library of the person who used the key (very bad publicity, look at what happened with Ubisoft when they invalidated hundreds of Far Cry 4 and Assassin's Creed: Unity keys that were sold on G2A)
  2. Ignore it and let the person who used the key keep the game, which can be considered worse than piracy since it is actually a lost sale as the user is completely unaware they have a stolen game key. Whereas a pirate knows they "stole" the software, but might go on to buy a legit copy.

 

Obviously not every key sold on G2A is acquired this way. A lot of them are either keys that someone got when they bought new hardware (such as "Free copy of X Game when you buy a GTX 1080"), or they buy a bunch of keys during a sale, then sell them for a profit a few weeks after the sale ends.

   
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It's not just stolen credit cards. Regions are made because there are differences in economy's. If you went to Mexico, started up shop and bought keys it would be drastically cheap for some. Flip them on and open market, money.

That's shady as all hell and g2a knows this, allows this, and you wonder why companies dislike that market.
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BrB away to get some keys
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I always pay via Skrill on G2A

dunno how secure that is, but never had any CC troubles so far


never used the shield thing either, Im pretty sure shield is only to ensure a money back if key is invalid and doesnt help with CC security

Why in the world would you ever use a Credit Card straight up on the web anymore? There are plenty of buffers you can tap into that keep your CC info away from the primary purchase site and still let you use your CC. You are just asking for theft in that case.

How do you know you didn't have some kind of malware on your very own machine that logged the CC number. It's that easy to have happen - I'm not saying that is what happened, just giving you perspective, is all.

This is coming from someone who has never had any issue with buying anything online in the history of ever. And I pretty much make most of my purchases online - including on G2A.
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It's not just stolen credit cards. Regions are made because there are differences in economy's. If you went to Mexico, started up shop and bought keys it would be drastically cheap for some. Flip them on and open market, money.

That's shady as all hell and g2a knows this, allows this, and you wonder why companies dislike that market.

Whether or not keys get sold in bulk on G2A has nothing to do with G2A.

Practically every other retail product in history has a list of official retailers. Publishers should not sell keys to anyone participating in cross region sales, this is entirely a distribution problem.

Credit card fraud is a different problem, but a few small restrictions would probably cut out 90% of that.
But instead of trying to prevent fraud the developers are just trying to get a cut on money laundering!
As it stands no-one is coming out of this looking good.
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Except those who buy from G2A.. and pretend the low price is legit.

Perfect alibi.. "Hey, I want to remain ignorant".

And/Or " I saved $10 on a game I don't need & can't afford ".
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Whether or not keys get sold in bulk on G2A has nothing to do with G2A.

Practically every other retail product in history has a list of official retailers. Publishers should not sell keys to anyone participating in cross region sales, this is entirely a distribution problem.

Credit card fraud is a different problem, but a few small restrictions would probably cut out 90% of that.
But instead of trying to prevent fraud the developers are just trying to get a cut on money laundering!
As it stands no-one is coming out of this looking good.

The problem is, publishers aren't always the ones doing this. You get a legal retailer who somehow now has too many keys and needs to at least recoup costs. Keys get sold cheap, somebody else thinks "hey, I can make a tiny profit off these and flips them.

It's like saying blackmarket guns can be handled if we only sold to licensed retailers. Not quite the reality, somebody goes to a legit store and buys bulk for a gun show. That's how grey areas happen, however sites can still say whether or not they want to have those grey areas.

However I'm ok with a grey area being there, just as long as people understand what that really is. I have done it myself, however I'm not going to stand up for G2A and say "all squeaky clean". I'm just aware that the situation isn't exactly the cleanest.
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