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peopled hoped for a positive outlook for things to come. After AMD announced this was a mainstream card, people put their hopes and faith into VEGA.

Now that RX480 is out people are afraid for VEGA not being able to compete with Nvidia since RX480 can barely compete on a new node with Nvidias cards from the previous node.
A card targeting performance per watt will never perform as the best on the market. You cant have both, you pick one. Look at P10, its been re spun at least 10 times at Globo. That gives us an insight how many times they had to tweak the ASIC to give them the power consumption at the performance they wanted. Vega on the other hand will be balls to the wall no one cares about consumption give me FPS kind of part. This is where things might change and give far superior performance per mm^2.

Lastly as someone mentioned in this thread, its likely they will switch foundries for the bigger part. Globo is giving off an impression that its great for a low power small die part but once you up the clocks, leakage gets out of control. This would only get worse if the die would get bigger, unless the clocks would be decreased to laughably low levels.

Either way, they delivered on what they said. People who spew out hype that other people made up need not to apply.
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A card targeting performance per watt will never perform as the best on the market. You cant have both, you pick one. Look at P10, its been re spun at least 10 times at Globo. That gives us an insight how many times they had to tweak the ASIC to give them the power consumption at the performance they wanted. Vega on the other hand will be balls to the wall no one cares about consumption give me FPS kind of part. This is where things might change and give far superior performance per mm^2.

Lastly as someone mentioned in this thread, its likely they will switch foundries for the bigger part. Globo is giving off an impression that its great for a low power small die part but once you up the clocks, leakage gets out of control. This would only get worse if the die would get bigger, unless the clocks would be decreased to laughably low levels.

Either way, they delivered on what they said. People who spew out hype that other people made up need not to apply.

did no one tell you?

the RX 480 has a much worse perf/watt than people anticipated. Roughly on par with Nvidias last year same performing card. (GTX 970). Edit : it is actually from 2014

Actually the RX480 has a higher power draw then the GTX 1070 ! That is quite something considering the GTX 1070 is much much better.
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post #73 of 108
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did no one tell you?

the RX 480 has a much worse perf/watt than people anticipated. Roughly on par with Nvidias last year same performing card. (GTX 970). Edit : it is actually from 2014

Actually the RX480 has a higher power draw then the GTX 1070 ! That is quite something considering the GTX 1070 is much much better.
Oh my, if that's the case then AMD is going to be in hot water for awhile.
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Why is everyone so butthurt at this card? They said it would deliver performance between 970 and 980 and it does exactly that.
What the hell did you people expect out of a $200 part? Titan x performance?
I don't think that many people are upset. I've noticed it seems to be the same 10-15 people posting how much they dislike the card over and over again.
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Why is everyone so butthurt at this card? They said it would deliver performance between 970 and 980 and it does exactly that.
What the hell did you people expect out of a $200 part? Titan x performance?
80%+ performance/watt of Pascal, +/-3% of GTX 980 performance, 10% overclocking headroom without the power exploding, color compression that matches Maxwell, silent at idle, low power consumption multi-monitor and during blu-ray and tessellation performance parity with NV.
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Oh my, if that's the case then AMD is going to be in hot water for awhile.

nah I think the RX480 will do fine. It is a card appealing to the masses and normally you don't get the laggards and masses to be hyped for a product. They just go to the store and buy, but somehow AMD managed to get them on board with the price. Which is a good thing for AMD I guess.

Atleast until the 1060 comes out. Maybe the 1060 will be 290$ and like 20% better. Who knows.

My forecast for whats to come is clouded though. I am not sure about VEGA anymore.
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did no one tell you?

the RX 480 has a much worse perf/watt than people anticipated. Roughly on par with Nvidias last year same performing card. (GTX 970). Edit : it is actually from 2014

Actually the RX480 has a higher power draw then the GTX 1070 ! That is quite something considering the GTX 1070 is much much better.

It has exactly the p/w that amd said. 1.7X vs GCN3

AMD was always behind the p/w especially after maxwell (980/970). That doesn't mean a lot because the 390 was pretty popular choice even with a lot worse p/w

About Vega. Polaris 10 has around 7 revisions and 3 on the node. Mainly because they wanted to hit a specific target of perf/watt/$ . GCN will never gonna be as power efficient as Pascal on low end but when both release gpus that doesnt care at all about power consumption (big dies) i bet that vega with hbm will offer similar performance to a 1080ti

I am amazed from that 390x. From the reviews it seems to be faster than a 980 and on dx12 it even matches the fiji. You can't kill that chip (also tahiti) no matter what.

Also it seems to sell really well. Gibbo said that OCUK already sold 700 cards(early evening( and he suspects that they will surpass 1k
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I am amazed from that 390x. From the reviews it seems to be faster than a 980
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/RX_480/24.html

its 1% ahead at 1440p and 6% behind at 1080p
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post #79 of 108
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nah I think the RX480 will do fine. It is a card appealing to the masses and normally you don't get the laggards and masses to be hyped for a product. They just go to the store and buy, but somehow AMD managed to get them on board with the price. Which is a good thing for AMD I guess.

Atleast until the 1060 comes out. Maybe the 1060 will be 290$ and like 20% better. Who knows.

My forecast for whats to come is clouded though. I am not sure about VEGA anymore.

It would have been really good for AMD if it provided a decent upgrade for all of those 970 owners. It wouldn't even have to be a huge performance jump with 8gb's on offer, maybe overclocking and aftermarket cards will provide something for 970 owners to buy.

I have a hard time imagining this card overclocking to 1500 with what I have seen so far though.
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It has exactly the p/w that amd said. 1.7X vs GCN3

AMD was always behind the p/w especially after maxwell (980/970). That doesn't mean a lot because the 390 was pretty popular choice even with a lot worse p/w

About Vega. Polaris 10 has around 7 revisions and 3 on the node. Mainly because they wanted to hit a specific target of perf/watt/$ . GCN will never gonna be as power efficient as Pascal on low end but when both release gpus that doesnt care at all about power consumption (big dies) i bet that vega with hbm will offer similar performance to a 1080ti

I am amazed from that 390x. From the reviews it seems to be faster than a 980 and on dx12 it even matches the fiji. You can't kill that chip (also tahiti) no matter what.

Also it seems to sell really well. Gibbo said that OCUK already sold 700 cards(early evening( and he suspects that they will surpass 1k

They said 2.5X perf/watt didn't they?
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