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Re bold part: the problem is, people have no problem waiting for nVidia, but trying to get them to wait for AMD is much harder. AMD needs to get AIB 480 cards out the door ASAP so the reviews will look much better, and minimize any disruption 1060 would bring to the scene.

Also I don't blame AMD for hyping (because quite honestly they've said very little), and as I've said this card will serve its intended segment just fine, BUT "this is a huge step forward for AMD" just isn't going to cut the mustard when you have fierce competition.

Also I looked up the efficiency numbers, and
It matters because if P10 is 970 performance at 150W, what kind of TDP would AMD need to reach 1080 performance? How about 1080 Ti performance?

I would say the vast majority of people buying GPU's in this price range have little to no knowledge of how a GPU even works. The vast majority in this price segment will generally buy the best card they can get in their budget, or try to balance price/performance. This card is a homerun in this segment. AMD's biggest issue with this card is that, as in the CPU market, many regular joes know the name nvidia, but look at you like a fool if you say AMD, or even worse if you say Advanced Micro Devices.
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Re bold part: the problem is, people have no problem waiting for nVidia, but trying to get them to wait for AMD is much harder. AMD needs to get AIB 480 cards out the door ASAP so the reviews will look much better, and minimize any disruption 1060 would bring to the scene.

Also I don't blame AMD for hyping (because quite honestly they've said very little), and as I've said this card will serve its intended segment just fine, BUT "this is a huge step forward for AMD" just isn't going to cut the mustard when you have fierce competition.

Also I looked up the efficiency numbers, and
It matters because if P10 is 970 performance at 150W, what kind of TDP would AMD need to reach 1080 performance? How about 1080 Ti performance?

 

+1 for saving me some typing.

 

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Does it matter though? I never cared that my 290X used 275W. It was always a beats. Just look at GTX1080 for example. They could have chosen to clock it 200-300MHz lower and get to GTX980 Ti performance but deiced to push it too the max too. Both sides kind of killed overclocking. GCNs true p/w is in DX12.

 

I agree in a sense. I mean, if a card isn't turning off the lights in my house I'm fine, I'm always going to go with performance/dollar first. But like mr. magnek, I'm interested in it as both an exercise and as a useful part of the picture in terms of the overall performance of the architecture. Efficiency isn't my number one concern but it's a 'nice-to-have' and for a card like the 480 it's important in terms of generic buyers with bad PSU's as well as OEM's. All other things being equal the more efficient architecture will likely OC better and perform better under pressure. Still, agree with the sentiment in terms of it not being my main metric in my own buying decisions.

     
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We got this kind of performance but at $350 with HD 7870 back in 2012.

Which is nowhere near this level of performance and costs much more. ($20 to $150 extra at this price range is a massive increase)
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Wow... what a fail... I really think this may be game over for AMD. The fact that they managed to produce a 14nm card that is SLOWER than their own 28nm card with nearly identical specs is absolutely amazing! Incredible really. They have really sunk to the bottom of the barrel.

To add insult to injury the 28nm GTX 980 is faster and uses the same amount of power while being on a node 2 times as big! AMD are done in the high end. If they can't even do this right, i have absolutely no hope that Vega will even challenge whatever Nvidia have up their sleeve. What a waste. I had high hopes AMD could catch up with 14nm, and those hopes are officially expunged. rolleyes.gif pathetic.
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It matters because if P10 is 970 performance at 150W, what kind of TDP would AMD need to reach 1080 performance? How about 1080 Ti performance?

I get where your coming from but whos to say Vega is the same? It wouldnt surprise me if Polaris was retooled and tweaked tonga to test 14nm then vega is something new.

Regardless I cant wait for my cards to get here tomorrow to play with them.
 
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I would say the vast majority of people buying GPU's in this price range have little to no knowledge of how a GPU even works.
The vast majority in this price segment will generally buy the best card they can get in their budget, or try to balance price/performance. This card is a homerun in this segment. AMD's biggest issue with this card is that, as in the CPU market, many regular joes know the name nvidia, but look at you like a fool if you say AMD, or even worse if you say Advanced Micro Devices.

Which means they're even more susceptible to influences not based on facts but emotions and/or bias.

AMD's biggest issue is they simply don't have the mindshare right now, and they needed nothing less than a perfect launch to even try to get people to change their perception. And this was far from a perfect launch.
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Wow... what a fail... I really think this may be game over for AMD. The fact that they managed to produce a 14nm card that is SLOWER than their own 28nm card with nearly identical specs is absolutely amazing! Incredible really. They have really sunk to the bottom of the barrel.

To add insult to injury the 28nm GTX 980 is faster and uses the same amount of power while being on a node 2 times as big! AMD are done in the high end. If they can't even do this right, i have absolutely no hope that Vega will even challenge whatever Nvidia have up their sleeve. What a waste. I had high hopes AMD could catch up with 14nm, and those hopes are officially expunged. rolleyes.gif pathetic.

the fact that you say something like this in this horrible post shows you have absolutely no idea what market this is aimed at. Please go read the reviews, and try to understand why the general consensus in reviews paints this card in a positive light. Hint: It's because this card in its price range and performance tier is an great card at an amazing price, and its price/performance is quite incredible.
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Going to lay down a few things one last time...

- GCN =/= Maxwell or Pascal In terms of architectural components
- GCN has always had worse P/W than nvidia counterparts
- From Grenada/Tonga/Fiji P/W is up 1.77x, which AMD stated in the PR slides months ago that P/W increases were approximately 1.8x (special cases up to 2.8x)
- This is a huge step forward in P/W for AMD; THIS CARD IS STILL GCN, with minor tweaks
- This card is in the price bracket of the 380x and GTX 960, in which the RX480 is SIGNIFICANTLY faster
- The price is good
- The P/W jump is comparable to Nvidia's for their OWN architecture; both being attributed mostly to node changes
- AMD made not a single official statement hyping this card to be anything more than what we got; all of the hype blame rests on you as forum users and the rumor mills, NOT AMD.

This is a good card, at a good price. Many people expect the 1060 to drop soon, but until then Nvidia doesn't have a new direct competitor which is good for AMD.

It's sad that so many users are posting drivel when many guests will come view this site for information and guidance, and be so horribly mislead by nosensical and borderline bipolar comments being made. This card is by no means a failure, and as far as I see this almost exactly what AMD told us they set out to do.

Thanks for this post. +1 Rep
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the fact that you say something like this in this horrible post shows you have absolutely no idea what market this is aimed at. Please go read the reviews, and try to understand why the general consensus in reviews paints this card in a positive light. Hint: It's because this card in its price range and performance tier is an great card at an amazing price, and its price/performance is quite incredible.

Thats one thing I find interesting. Reviews have been pretty positive while OCN is just crapping all over it.
 
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Kind of interesting that most of the reviewers actually like the card.
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