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970's are EOL and the 1070 replaced it, they're not slashing anything. It's all about pascal now. I guess you expected AMD to build a card as fast as a 1070 but only charge half as much as Nvidia?

 

All in the hopes that such a card would provide a $20 price drop on a 1070. 

     
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My point is that the RX 480 basically offers no resistance. If NV wished, they could stamp out its mark without even trying, using technology from almost 2 years ago. At least with the Fury X it managed to beat everything except the 980 Ti. It wasn't getting killed by the 780 Ti.

Of course the 1060 will crush it even more definitively than the 970 could.

If past X60 releases are anything to go by, that's not happening.
    
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My point is that the RX 480 basically offers no resistance. If NV wished, they could stamp out its mark without even trying, using technology from almost 2 years ago. At least with the Fury X it managed to beat everything except the 980 Ti.

Of course the 1060 will crush it even more definitively than the 970 could.

LOL suddenly the X60 cards are going to be awesome for the price and age beautifully no doubt.

Lest we forget the 560/660/760/960
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It's funny, these are all the same people that said 970 to 980 performance out of a $200 card would be a great value just a few weeks ago. But now that the card is actually here of course it's time to start circling the wagons around Nvidia. I suspect that the fan boys are just now realizing that their precious Nvidia really has nothing to compete with the 480 at this time and it's stealing their limelight! Oh, what to do?!?! tongue.gif
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Dude no just NO.

If nothing else that 3.5GB has effectively sealed 970's fate going forward.
3.5GB issue is way overblown in practical terms. I agree it's deception, but it doesn't matter right now. That's more than enough VRAM for 1080p.

Here's what the 970 has going for it:
-Its comparable to an overclocked 390X if not faster. It's a faster chip than Polaris 10.
-It consumes a reasonable amount of power when overclocked and is far ahead of Polaris's efficiency in that regard.
-It's made on the ridiculously mature 28nm process and has no supply issues.
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Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric View Post

970's are EOL and the 1070 replaced it, they're not slashing anything. It's all about pascal now. I guess you expected AMD to build a card as fast as a 1070 but only charge half as much as Nvidia?
Nope. What I expected was a card that came within striking distance of Pascal's efficiency, overclocks reasonably (10% pretty please?) and doesn't consume over 200W with a 5% overclock. Too much to ask from RTG I guess.

I also expected a card that had a greater than 42% efficiency lead over a card we were told it beat in that regard by 2.8X (270X). Further, I expected geometry and color compression on par with Maxwell nearly 2 years down the line. Finally, I expected a card that beat the 1080 in crossfire with superior efficiency. This is what RTG presented on their slides, and this is a fairy tale.
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It's faster than overclocked 390X when pushed to its limits.

I'm sorry, I stopped reading at this. My 290X regularly beats 970s OC for OC. Even stock for stock in about half the games these days. Must be so proud of getting smashed by a card that's a year older and lower clocks then the 970 let alone a stock 390x. Must be that extra .5GB of VRAM... rolleyessmileyanim.gif

Geez, I wish everyone would stop comparing reference to OCed cards. Especially reference vs AIB OCed cards. Review sites are the biggest culprits in this trend. They get that single reference AMD card and never bother to do anything with it or get an 'OCed' AIB and then compare it against every nV card out there.

Stop spreading misinformation you tool.
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3.5GB issue is way overblown in practical terms. I agree it's deception, but it doesn't matter right now. That's more than enough VRAM for 1080p.

Here's what the 970 has going for it:
-Its comparable to an overclocked 390X if not faster. It's a faster chip than Polaris 10.
-It consumes a reasonable amount of power when overclocked and is far ahead of Polaris's efficiency in that regard.
-It's made on the ridiculously mature 28nm process and has no supply issues.
Nope. What I expected was a card that came within striking distance of Pascal's efficiency, overclocks reasonably (10% pretty please?) and doesn't consume over 200W with a 5% overclock. Too much to ask from RTG I guess.

I also expected a card that had a greater than 42% efficiency lead over a card we were told it beat in that regard by 2.8X (270X). Further, I expected geometry and color compression on par with Maxwell nearly 2 years down the line. Finally, I expected a card that beat the 1080 in crossfire with superior efficiency. This is what RTG presented on their slides, and this is a fairy tale.

3.5 issue isn't overblown. All new games that break the 3.5 barrier can suddenly cause a loss of 30% in frames like with Mirror's Edge 2. I have a feeling this card is entirely for DX12 as DX12 benchmarks were pretty darn good. Not 390 good, but let's understand it's got a godly 512 bit memory controller.
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The RX 480 is the best card on the planet that $200 can buy. Today. All that other stuff is irrelevant. People can't seem to see the forest for the trees. This card was designed to be an amazing $200 card and it is. Comparing it to more expensive EOL cards is bad enough but comparing it to new cards that cost 2-3 times as much $$$ is just ridiculous. And I'm only talking about this supposedly disappointing reference card, the AIB cards are likely to be even better.

It's funny how price to performance all the sudden doesn't matter! "Just buy a $450 1070, it's faster!" -Said nobody ever who only has $200 to spend on a graphics card. rolleyes.gif

Two things you are forcefully for some reason ignoring (or mislead):

1. The 200$ has not been reviewed. The 230$ one has. So if you have 200$ to spare only, you don't know the performance you will get.
2. The AIB 480s are rumoured to be 300$ cards. And they start to fall on the 1070 territory, which is not 2-3 times as much $$$, and claiming 2-3 times is just ridiculous when you are talking about a 300$ vs 400$ (math is hard sometimes).

Once the 10 series stock start to become more stable, prices will normalise and the AIB 480s will start to get harder competition. From the 1060 as well as it is soon to come.
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3.5GB issue is way overblown in practical terms. I agree it's deception, but it doesn't matter right now. That's more than enough VRAM for 1080p.

Here's what the 970 has going for it:
-Its comparable to an overclocked 390X if not faster. It's a faster chip than Polaris 10.
-It consumes a reasonable amount of power when overclocked and is far ahead of Polaris's efficiency in that regard.
-It's made on the ridiculously mature 28nm process and has no supply issues.
Nope. What I expected was a card that came within striking distance of Pascal's efficiency, overclocks reasonably (10% pretty please?) and doesn't consume over 200W with a 5% overclock. Too much to ask from RTG I guess.

I also expected a card that had a greater than 42% efficiency lead over a card we were told it beat in that regard by 2.8X (270X). Further, I expected geometry and color compression on par with Maxwell nearly 2 years down the line. Finally, I expected a card that beat the 1080 in crossfire with superior efficiency. This is what RTG presented on their slides, and this is a fairy tale.

Haha, and yet still nothing is better at its price and you know it. Whether you like it or not, this card is going to fly off the shelves as people realize how much performance they are getting for two bills and that nothing else even comes close. Meanwhile AMD will happily take all their money while they work on the chips that are actually designed to be impressive in the higher tier brackets...
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