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Is it too much to expect either more performance or smaller power usage from a smaller node. Getting neither is kind of meh, and I think that was his point.

EDIT: before someone points out HBM and it's reduced power usage - end user doesn't care one bit where the p/p comes from, he only cares about end result
Edited by Loladinas - 7/1/16 at 3:46am
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Originally Posted by Loladinas View Post

Is it too much to expect either more performance or smaller power usage from a smaller node. Getting neither is kind of meh, and I think that was his point.

EDIT: before someone points out HBM and it's reduced power usage - end user doesn't care one bit where the p/p comes from, he only cares about end result

The 1070 gets both. More performance at less the power consumed. Put the $200 difference and get the 1070. Whenever it becomes available in your neck of the woods. Simple.
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Is it too much to expect either more performance or smaller power usage from a smaller node. Getting neither is kind of meh, and I think that was his point.

That probably was their point....

But "the point" is the vast majority of people out there.... are not on this site and all they see is: $199.99 or $239.99 etc They don't much care about anything else.

So a counter of "stop bringing up the price" doesn't really work.... The card and it's price in general aren't the kind of thing that is aimed at people on this site. That said... there are probably quite a few people even here... that only have so much money to spend at any given time and don't buy $700 cards or $1600+ cpu's.

When I see an RX 480 and think about playing with them... the first thing I think about is two of them... and where are the water blocks... which isn't the target audience either.
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That probably was their point....

But "the point" is the vast majority of people out there.... are not on this site and all they see is: $199.99 or $239.99 etc They don't much care about anything else.

So a counter of "stop bringing up the price" doesn't really work.... The card and it's price in general aren't the kind of thing that is aimed at people on this site. That said... there are probably quite a few people even here... that only have so much money to spend at any given time and don't buy $700 cards or $1600+ cpu's.

When I see an RX 480 and think about playing with them... the first thing I think about is two of them... and where are the water blocks... which isn't the target audience either.
No, I'm not saying it's a bad card for the price, I'm just pointing out that from an engineering point of view it's not very impressive, and that's what a lot of people are saying. As for the price... Well people are still buying them from Amazon at like $350 a pop. Some people are just weird.
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No, I'm not saying it's a bad card for the price, I'm just pointing out that from an engineering point of view it's not very impressive, and that's what a lot of people are saying. As for the price... Well people are still buying them from Amazon at like $350 a pop. Some people are just weird.

Those people are fools. A fool and their money....
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Consumption/thermals aside, a full polaris 10 die is comparable to a cut down GP104, so a highly clocked 480 should be going toe to toe with a 1070. If such SKUs are eventually released in AIB form and the performance is not around 980Ti/1070 levels, then there is something very wrong with polaris.
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Consumption/thermals aside, a full polaris 10 die is comparable to a cut down GP104, so a highly clocked 480 should be going toe to toe with a 1070. If such SKUs are eventually released in AIB form and the performance is not around 980Ti/1070 levels, then there is something very wrong with polaris.

Like 256 bit memory bus and 32 ROPs?
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Consumption/thermals aside, a full polaris 10 die is comparable to a cut down GP104, so a highly clocked 480 should be going toe to toe with a 1070. If such SKUs are eventually released in AIB form and the performance is not around 980Ti/1070 levels, then there is something very wrong with polaris.
Here we go again. rolleyes.gif

Maybe you should be an engineer. You obviously have all the ability to make a mainstream chip perform miracles. Stock = around 970. Could the 970 clock to 980Ti levels of performance? Maxwell clocked pretty well right?

Right... didn't think so.
Edited by Exeed Orbit - 7/1/16 at 5:32am
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First card in history that performs better if you lower voltage? If this is the case, AMD is committing self-sabotage...
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post #1930 of 3674
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Consumption/thermals aside, a full polaris 10 die is comparable to a cut down GP104, so a highly clocked 480 should be going toe to toe with a 1070. If such SKUs are eventually released in AIB form and the performance is not around 980Ti/1070 levels, then there is something very wrong with polaris.

Reality is the RX480 is very far away from the GTX1070 in both performance and performance/watt.

The only area the RX480 trumps the GTX1070 is in perf/price, but not even by the huge amount we hoped it would.

If the GTX1070 was actually available for 379$ then the situation in price/perf for the 239$ 8GB RX480 would look very grim.

But the cheapest GTX1070 in Europe is 479€ and the cheapest RX480 8GB is 264€.

The GTX1070 is 46% faster than the RX480 8GB. With current prices for available cards the RX480 8GB has a better price/perf, but if both cards would sell at MSRP the gap would be much much smaller.

One thing to remember is that higher priced cards have a diminishing return (under normal circumstances). For example the Vanilla Titan at 1000$ was not twice as fast as the 500$ GTX 680.

The RX480 definitively makes the GTX1070 look better than it actually is. For around 399€ I'd definitively consider it. Sadly it's 479€ for the most ugly MSI plastic card I've ever seen. biggrin.gif
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