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Thats why they are sold out... rolleyes.gif ?? lol

My order was made Wed., seen their inventory was happening and will delay my order processing until today... Oh well, feelings not hurt. I have inventory to do at my work next week, so i feel the pain. I've waited 5 years for a new GPU, I can wait 3more days...

Sold out you say?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007709%20601203818&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&Order=PRICE&PageSize=30
 
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All 4Gb cards are sold out, but they do have few expensive 8Gb cards left. Also, XFX has one with backplate for $10 more, which is awesome thumb.gif

Edit: as soon as I posted that, PowerColor 4Gb is back in stock.
Edited by Mirotvorez113 - 7/1/16 at 10:41am
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Eh, I guess not all, give it 7 minutes... I only followed the Sapphire and ASUS 8Gb models. Both sold out within minutes.
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If those prices are correct, the AIBs just priced me out of getting one. No way I'm spending $60-70 over reference.
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Do any of you remember the GTX 280 pricing controversy?

Take a minute and have a look: Link

Nvidia launched the GTX 280 at ~$650 and people bought it despite the fact its predecessor, the 9800 GTX, cost ~$325. Just days after the launch, AMD announced they were releasing the HD 4870, a similarly performing card, for just $299. I imagine that was a bad day to be working for Nvidia HQ. At that point, there was no other option for Nvidia than to discount their card and they did so immediately and aggressively. There was a $200 price cut overnight, across the board. Even then the card's value against the AMD offering was questionable.

I'm disappointed that so many in these threads don't understand that rooting for the competition to fail is actually counter productive. There are what, 500-something pages right here OCN littered with people complaining of the GTX 1080 pricing. That's what the world looks like in segments where AMD is not competing. No matter your brand-allegiance, the smart call is hoping like heck AMD smooths this over and continues to grow their product line.

Yes, AMD has a problem on their hands if for no other reason than this issue gaining attention. So far it doesn't sound like there is a proof-positive case where this issue is causing performance degradation or damage to hardware. Now that this is the new, exciting thing people are talking about. people are going to start trying to incite the problem. Remember the bending iPhone 6 Plus? Goodness I wonder how many of those phones were destroyed for no reason. Coincidental issues are also going to get wrongly blamed on the 480. It's only a matter of time before we hear that someone's 8 year-old case fan froze up because their gaming session must have caused the 480 to ask too much.

I'm no engineer but logic suggests that if this was truly a large-scale problem then we would have seen more examples by now especially considering this is marketed at people who might be installing it to older and/or OEM hardware. I'm not denying that there is excessive power draw nor and I denying AMD has potentially made a bad call. I just don't feel that currently this problem is as much of a problem some are playing it out to be.
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Sold out you say?

8GB RX 480 for $250

R9 390 + Total War: Warhammer for $260

R9 390X + Total War: Warhammer for $310

GTX 980 for $315

Total War: Warhammer resells for around $35 on ebay.

The reference 480 doesn't look very appealing...

Even if non-reference models start at $259, the price cut GTX 970, GTX 980, R9 390, and R9 390X will eat away at sales considering that these cards actually provide better performance overall...
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Do any of you remember the GTX 280 pricing controversy?

Take a minute and have a look: Link

Nvidia launched the GTX 280 at ~$650 and people bought it despite the fact its predecessor, the 9800 GTX, cost ~$325. Just days after the launch, AMD announced they were releasing the HD 4870, a similarly performing card, for just $299. I imagine that was a bad day to be working for Nvidia HQ. At that point, there was no other option for Nvidia than to discount their card and they did so immediately and aggressively. There was a $200 price cut overnight, across the board. Even then the card's value against the AMD offering was questionable.

I'm disappointed that so many in these threads don't understand that rooting for the competition to fail is actually counter productive. There are what, 500-something pages right here OCN littered with people complaining of the GTX 1080 pricing. That's what the world looks like in segments where AMD is not competing. No matter your brand-allegiance, the smart call is hoping like heck AMD smooths this over and continues to grow their product line.

Yes, AMD has a problem on their hands if for no other reason than this issue gaining attention. So far it doesn't sound like there is a proof-positive case where this issue is causing performance degradation or damage to hardware. Now that this is the new, exciting thing people are talking about. people are going to start trying to incite the problem. Remember the bending iPhone 6 Plus? Goodness I wonder how many of those phones were destroyed for no reason. Coincidental issues are also going to get wrongly blamed on the 480. It's only a matter of time before we hear that someone's 8 year-old case fan froze up because their gaming session must have caused the 480 to ask too much.

I'm no engineer but logic suggests that if this was truly a large-scale problem then we would have seen more examples by now especially considering this is marketed at people who might be installing it to older and/or OEM hardware. I'm not denying that there is excessive power draw nor and I denying AMD has potentially made a bad call. I just don't feel that currently this problem is as much of a problem some are playing it out to be.

From the video that was posted and PCPer's review, it sounds like unless it is an older mobo (like the example one in the video powering down) the problem (if it is one) may actually not show up immediately. I don't agree with the statement that we should have seen more examples by now. If it is a problem as the mobo mfg PCPer talked to suggested, we may not even know the GPU is at fault since it could take time for the mobo to degrade.

edit: agree that I don't want to see AMD's demise. I see very few people rooting for AMD to fail though.
Edited by CasualCat - 7/1/16 at 11:05am
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From the video that was posted and PCPer's review, it sounds like unless it is an older mobo (like the example one in the video powering down) the problem (if it is one) may actually not show up immediately. I don't agree with the statement that we should have seen more examples by now. If it is a problem as the mobo mfg PCPer talked to suggested, we may not even know the GPU is at fault since it could take time for the mobo to degrade.

edit: agree that I don't want to see AMD's demise. I see very few people rooting for AMD to fail though.

There is nothing that would degrade over time other than the plastic of the slot. The 12v line on the MB is a simple connection from the 24pin header to the slots. At most there is a current measuring shunt to shut down on overload.
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There is nothing that would degrade over time other than the plastic of the slot. The 12v line on the MB is a simple connection from the 24pin header to the slots. At most there is a current measuring shunt to shut down on overload.


Well the the Pcper article disagrees with you.
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I asked around our friends in the motherboard business for some feedback on this issue - is it something that users should be concerned about or are modern day motherboards built to handle this type of variance? One vendor told me directly that while spikes as high as 95 watts of power draw through the PCIE connection are tolerated without issue, sustained power draw at that kind of level would likely cause damage. The pins and connectors are the most likely failure points - he didn’t seem concerned about the traces on the board as they had enough copper in the power plane to withstand the current.

So we may over time see some PCIE slots die. Why are you expecting the plastic to fail?
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Do any of you remember the GTX 280 pricing controversy?

Take a minute and have a look: Link

Nvidia launched the GTX 280 at ~$650 and people bought it despite the fact its predecessor, the 9800 GTX, cost ~$325. Just days after the launch, AMD announced they were releasing the HD 4870, a similarly performing card, for just $299. I imagine that was a bad day to be working for Nvidia HQ. At that point, there was no other option for Nvidia than to discount their card and they did so immediately and aggressively. There was a $200 price cut overnight, across the board. Even then the card's value against the AMD offering was questionable.

I'm disappointed that so many in these threads don't understand that rooting for the competition to fail is actually counter productive. There are what, 500-something pages right here OCN littered with people complaining of the GTX 1080 pricing. That's what the world looks like in segments where AMD is not competing. No matter your brand-allegiance, the smart call is hoping like heck AMD smooths this over and continues to grow their product line.

Yes, AMD has a problem on their hands if for no other reason than this issue gaining attention. So far it doesn't sound like there is a proof-positive case where this issue is causing performance degradation or damage to hardware. Now that this is the new, exciting thing people are talking about. people are going to start trying to incite the problem. Remember the bending iPhone 6 Plus? Goodness I wonder how many of those phones were destroyed for no reason. Coincidental issues are also going to get wrongly blamed on the 480. It's only a matter of time before we hear that someone's 8 year-old case fan froze up because their gaming session must have caused the 480 to ask too much.

I'm no engineer but logic suggests that if this was truly a large-scale problem then we would have seen more examples by now especially considering this is marketed at people who might be installing it to older and/or OEM hardware. I'm not denying that there is excessive power draw nor and I denying AMD has potentially made a bad call.
I just don't feel that currently this problem is as much of a problem some are playing it out to be.

There is no problem. The Green shills/fanbois trying to drum up any controversy no matter how trivial to bring down the hype of the card. Nothing new. Unless we see a flood of fried boards that is what we are seeing. Green team in full force. The fact that you need a board that is far past its warranty/life to create this 'issue' says volumes on the other sides desparation. I rarely bring up sides, but this is ridiculous. While there are some concerns from neutral people, i believe most of the outcry is obvious trolling.
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