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My expectations were based on history. This is the first mig-grade chip that has failed to meet and/or exceed previous generation flagship products. Given that it was AMD, I wasn't even expecting it to surpass the Fury X but I did expect something higher than the R9 390X... If new tech on a new node can't surpass the performance of a 3 year old product and barely matches the performance per watt of 2 year old Maxwell, how should one describe such a product?

You got to look at the prices. For example back when 28nm rolled a similar chip to RX480 was HD 7870. That GPU was faster then AMDs previews flagship HD 6970. Problem is HD 7870 rolled out $350 beating $375 MSRP HD 6970. Now we are expecting a $200 card to beat $430 MSRP 390X. Not going to happen. As you go lower it hard to match the high end cards. You need to jump ~ $300-400 in order to hope to beat $500+ previews gen cards like GTX 1070 or 970 did. GTX960 for example could not bat GTX770 at launch.
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Not you specifically but there are plenty of individuals here that seem to think so. Thinking that AMD has given them the world because they priced this lackluster product in the mainstream segment.

The sad truth is that AMD is becoming less competitive against Nvidia. As a result, they have opted to compete only in the low price segments with low margins where Nvidia wouldn't play a price wars game. This is how they won the consoles. It may or may not work in the discrete GPU market as very few individuals make rational purchases.

Yeah, well... not really fair to put words in my mouth and lump me in with a handful of red fanboys. I feel like I've been pretty neutral with the 480, i think it's a good card for the money, i can buy my brother a GPU that can more or less compete with mine for half the price.. Though, I'm personally waiting for the AIB's as the reference is a bit of a letdown.

I guess it depends on how you look at it, i don't necessarily disagree with you. But only on the enthusiast-end. AMD compete fine excluding the the Titan/Ti class.

If you look back you can see that AMD fell behind Nvidia with the 680, that's when Nvidia's middle of the road chip was able to compete with AMD's best. So this is nothing new, AMD have just chosen not to compete at that tier, Nvidia have far more money to do so, if AMD ever catch up in marketshare we may see them target that segment in the future.

I see the 480 as a replacement for the 380, that's in fact what it was always meant to do, and imo it delivers.
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My expectations were based on history. This is the first mig-grade chip that has failed to meet and/or exceed previous generation flagship products. Given that it was AMD, I wasn't even expecting it to surpass the Fury X but I did expect something higher than the R9 390X... If new tech on a new node can't surpass the performance of a 3 year old product and barely matches the performance per watt of 2 year old Maxwell, how should one describe such a product?

What's strange is that the rx480 is in the gtx x60 price range. Let's look at some hostory.

570 = 660
670 > 760
770 > 960

And now the 1060, judging by leaked specs, should be right at the same level as the rx 480, perhaps a few % slower or faster.
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Yeah, well... not really fair to put words in my mouth and lump me in with a handful of red fanboys. I feel like I've been pretty neutral with the 480, i think it's a good card for the money, i can buy my brother a GPU that can more or less compete with mine for half the price.. Though, I'm personally waiting for the AIB's as the reference is a bit of a letdown.

I guess it depends on how you look at it, i don't necessarily disagree with you. But only on the enthusiast-end. AMD compete fine excluding the the Titan/Ti class.

If you look back you can see that AMD fell behind Nvidia with the 680, that's when Nvidia's middle of the road chip was able to compete with AMD's best. So this is nothing new, AMD have just chosen not to compete at that tier, Nvidia have far more money to do so, if AMD ever catch up in marketshare we may see them target that segment in the future.

I see the 480 as a replacement for the 380, that's in fact what it was always meant to do, and imo it delivers.

Well HD 7970 is about has high end end as 680,980,1080. The only true high end chip from AMD was Fiji. Even 290X has ~ same size die as GTX 980.
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Yeah, well... not really fair to put words in my mouth and lump me in with a handful of red fanboys.

My apologies. It was not my intent and I was using exaggeration for emphasis.
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Well HD 7970 is about has high end end as 680,980,1080. The only true high end chip from AMD was Fiji. Even 290X has ~ same size die as GTX 980.

That's true too. lachen.gif

It's all perspective i guess, and how we look at it. AMD have traditionally always made smaller chips. Longevity is a completely different story.. We all know how the 680, 780, even the 980 now fairs against AMD's competition.
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My apologies. It was not my intent and I was using exaggeration for emphasis.

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Well HD 7970 is about has high end end as 680,980,1080. The only true high end chip from AMD was Fiji. Even 290X has ~ same size die as GTX 980.

It wasn't so much that the HD 7970 was a high end chip, it was more about AMD pricing it as a high end chip. If AMD had launched the HD 7970 at $300-350 instead of $550 then the GTX 680 would have launched at around $300 instead of $500.
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It wasn't so much that the HD 7970 was a high end chip, it was more about AMD pricing it as a high end chip. If AMD had launched the HD 7970 at $300-350 instead of $550 then the GTX 680 would have launched at around $300 instead of $500.

OK AMD did that but what about Titan, GTX780? What about GTX980 and now GTX1080? There was no AMD card. What about GTX780 Ti? AMD cards never really have a effect on what Nvidia prices their cards with the exception of HD 4870 which was price less then half GTX280. Nvidia can get away with $100-150 more expensive cards. At best HD 7970 would have been $450 considering it was on a new node. HD 5870 was $400-450 when it came out. With that price in mine and GTX680 being faster at launch then HD 7970 Nvidia would have still sold it $500 no problem.
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OK AMD did that but what about Titan, GTX780? What about GTX980 and now GTX1080? There was no AMD card. What about GTX780 Ti? AMD cards never really have a effect on what Nvidia prices their cards with the exception of HD 4870 which was price less then half GTX280. Nvidia can get away with $100-150 more expensive cards. At best HD 7970 would have been $450 considering it was on a new node. HD 5870 was $400-450 when it came out. With that price in mine and GTX680 being faster at launch then HD 7970 Nvidia would have still sold it $500 no problem.

Recall that when the Titan was launched, AMD had no products that could compete. Even the announcement for Hawaii came months after the Titan launch. The lack of competition allowed Nvidia to foster in a new age of inflated prices. It is what monopolies do best wink.gif

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The economics of it, of building anything, ultimately comes down to the amount of competition you have. You don't set the price, the competition sets the price. The market doesn't set the price, the competition does.
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Tsar Bomba
(12 items)
 
Fat Man
(13 items)
 
Little Boy
(29 items)
 
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
Intel Core i7-6700K ASRock Fatal1ty Z170 Gaming-ITX/ac Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4... Samsung 850 EVO 500GB M.2-2280 SSD 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingOS
Sandisk Ultra II 960GB 2.5" SSD Zalman CNPS8900 Quiet Noctua NF-F12 PWM Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Corsair K95 Corsair SF 600W Silverstone SG05BB-LITE Corsair M65 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
AMD A10-7850K GIGABYTE GA-F2A88X-UP4 XFX R9-290A-ENBC Radeon R9 290 XFX R9-290A-ENBC Radeon R9 290 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingCooling
Samsung 830 128GB Western Digital Blue 1TB XSPC Raystorm CPU/APU Waterblock - AMD XSPC D5 Photon 170 Reservoir/Pump Combo 
CoolingCoolingCoolingPower
XSPC AX360 Radiator XSPC AX240 Radiator 2x XSPC Razor R9 290X / 290 - Full Cover Water ... EVGA Supernova 1000 P2 
Case
Corsair Carbide Series Air 540 Black  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Intel Core i7-4770K  Asus Maximus VI Extreme Sapphire R9 290 unlocked to 290X Sapphire R9 290 unlocked to 290X 
GraphicsGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Sapphire R9 290 unlocked to 290X Sapphire R9 290 unlocked to 290X G.SKILL Sniper Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3 2400 2x SAMSUNG 840 EVO 250GB 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingCooling
2x TOSHIBA PH3300U-1I72 3TB Asus BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer 29x Noctua NF-F12 PWM 2x Swiftech MCP655 + Bitspower Dual D5 Mod Top 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Phobya Balancer 450 Silver Nickel Reservoir 2x Alphacool NexXxoS XT45 480mm Radiator Alphacool NexXxoS XT45 360mm Radiator Alphacool NexXxoS XT45 240mm Radiator 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Alphacool NexXxoS ST30 240mm Radiator Alphacool NexXxoS XT45 120mm Radiator 4x Koolance VID-AR290X Radeon VGA Liquid Coolin... EK Supreme LTX Intel CPU Liquid Cooling Block -... 
OSMonitorMonitorMonitor
Microsoft Windows 8.1 Pro Asus VS238H-P 23.0" Asus VS238H-P 23.0" Asus VS238H-P 23.0" 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Corsair Vengeance K95 ENERMAX Maxrevo EMR1500EWT 1500W Corsair Obsidian Series 900D Razer DeathAdder 2013 
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Astro Gaming A50 Circumaural Headset - Black 
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