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If AMD never raised prices, Nvidia wouldn't of had the same chance to so grossly increase the price of their midrange.

It is refreshing to see someone who has an understanding of economics on these boards biggrin.gif
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To be honest, the main problem here is not amd or nvidia. The problem is the user. People buy things. Titan cost too much? No problem, people bought it anyway. And bare in mind, Kepler titan, great cards. Titan x 1k,all buy titan x even if it's hotter, louder and many times performs worst than a custom 980ti. Founder edition? People buy that too.
So, the problem here is a company, main goal earn money, or the end user that buy things EVEN KNOWING THAT THERE ARE BETTER PRODUCTS?
Again, we, as end user, can decide prices but companies always win BECAUSE OF US.
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All AMD did was to drop the 7970 on the 580's price point. At the time there were even $699 custom 580. I also doubt the 7970 was designed as a midrange part even performance wise it's were it ended, it was their top tier.
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The 7970 had a die size of around 350mm2. Even when it was AMD's largest GPU at the time, it had the die size of a mid range card. Pricing the card so high was foolish when it didn't beat the 580 by a commanding margin that would justify the price. I have no idea why AMD sold the 7970 for $550 when AMD knew that GK104 would around just as fast and GK110 would obliterate it. Given that it was a new generation and a new node, the 7970 should have been $300-400.
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Again, we, as end user, can decide prices but companies always win BECAUSE OF US.

Consumers exist at all price points. Consumption decreases with increased prices. Considering that the number of discrete GPUs sold annually is less than half of what it was 5 years ago, is it any surprise that Nvidia has created a high price niche market?

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@Slomo4shO I don't know how this card didn't meet expectations. I'm enjoying the hell out of it. I have a feeling aib cards will consistently meet and/or exceed 980 performance. Mine overclocked is already there. Either your expectations are unrealistic, or you're a troll. Either way, I'm happy with the 480 and I'm excited about amd's future.
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Consumers exist at all price points. Consumption decreases with increased prices. Considering that the number of discrete GPUs sold annually is less than half of what it was 5 years ago, is it any surprise that Nvidia has created a high price niche market?

I know, but it's very simple. If no one buy a 1000 bucks GPU, the company will lower the price.
By the way, PC would gain so much market share with some lower prices. Today with 400€ i can do a good PC without descrete GPU. If i want the GPU, i have to skimp on the CPU. They should reduce the price. Peole listen about 1000$ GPU and they are scared. Of course they're not well informed, but this is a problem, and i like how AMD is trying to overcome this.
Even in laptop, a decent one, again, decent, is 500€ and you don't get any decent GPU. A good one, with GPU and CPU is 1000€. Again, this is not good. Ok, lack of competition but again, what if people refuse to buy high end stuff because of price?
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The 7970 had a die size of around 350mm2. Even when it was AMD's largest GPU at the time, it had the die size of a mid range card. Pricing the card so high was foolish when it didn't beat the 580 by a commanding margin that would justify the price. I have no idea why AMD sold the 7970 for $550 when AMD knew that GK104 would around just as fast and GK110 would obliterate it. Given that it was a new generation and a new node, the 7970 should have been $300-400.
They released the ghz edition. Even now, this 1060 will be faster, becaue with such headrom in OC, Nvidia just needs to make a minor change in bios and voilà, higher boost clock and faster than a 480, stock by stock.
Be the first might be good for sales, but bad for competition because the opponent see what you're doing.
I think AMD is good this time, a faster 1060 was predictable, but the fight is on the aib cards, not the reference.
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All AMD did was to drop the 7970 on the 580's price point. At the time there were even $699 custom 580. I also doubt the 7970 was designed as a midrange part even performance wise it's were it ended, it was their top tier.

You do not price your mid-range sized vs last ranges large high end. If this was the case, videocards would be several thousand dollars today and most of the products we could actually afford would be ant sized.

Only way you can get away with it, if your the luxury brand and your competition has dropped out of the high end space for a decent period of time. And this is why Nvidia is doing it, they are pricing their product at a small premium just like the 7970. A 50 dollar premium vs last gens high end. Because AMD is not going to release a product till 2017 that competes with it. The general market will not wait for vega because polaris was such a let down and because it is too far away from release.

If your the Value brand and you don't value price your product(and they don't offer revolutionary performance), people will wait for the competition to come out with their cards. I.e if polaris 10 was 300 dollars, people would have waited for Nvidia's offerings to be released.
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@Slomo4shO I don't know how this card didn't meet expectations. I'm enjoying the hell out of it. I have a feeling aib cards will consistently meet and/or exceed 980 performance. Mine overclocked is already there. Either your expectations are unrealistic, or you're a troll. Either way, I'm happy with the 480 and I'm excited about amd's future.

It may be due to the fact that I have owned R9 290s since November 2013 and this card barely keeps up with them. Or it could have been the fact that I bought an R9 290 Vapor -X for my brother back in November 2014 for $250 and he has been enjoying the same performance at the same price for over a year and half now...

But good for you. I am glad you decided to wait around for over a year and half to get the same performance at the same price. I am sure the extra 4GB of ram was well worth the wait wink.gif
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Just like anything else, there's room for improvement and things will continue to improve over time. This card was also aimed to replace 280x/380 and under cards. So there's that.
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