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It may be due to the fact that I have owned R9 290s since November 2013 and this card barely keeps up with them. Or it could have been the fact that I bought an R9 290 Vapor -X for my brother back in November 2014 for $250 and he has been enjoying the same performance at the same price for over a year and half now...

But good for you. I am glad you decided to wait around for over a year and half to get the same performance at the same price. I am sure the extra 4GB of ram was well worth the wait wink.gif
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To be fair that's Black Friday sale pricing which is not indicative of normal pricing. It would be like using my $.01 K400 as reference pricing for wireless keyboards. Was that price possible? Yes. Is it normally repeatable? No. Ofc not, which is why I wouldn't use it as reference price.
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This card was also aimed to replace 280x/380 and under cards. So there's that.

Why? Because it is named RX 480? The HD 7970 was launched at $549 in December 2011 and was later re-branded as the R9 280X and was launched at $299 in October 2013 and the R9 380X was the Tonga replacement for Tahiti and was launched at $230 in November 2015.

Tahiti was AMD's flagship product for 2 years until the release of Hawaii... Considering that the RX 480 is likely to discontinue Hawaii, can't it be argued that the RX 480 is replacing Hawaii?
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To be fair that's Black Friday sale pricing which is not indicative of normal pricing.
True, I got my cards for $320 each due to Black Friday pricing. I purchased my brothers card in the beginning of November and there were plenty of sales going around at the time to get the R9 290 from $220 to $270 from October 2014 throughout May 2015. Those prices were easy enough to replicate.

When the R9 390s were introduced in June 2015, lower pricing was even more readily available for the R9 290s and 290X.
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I guess that'll depend on if we get 490s and furies this go round
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Originally Posted by Slomo4shO View Post

It may be due to the fact that I have owned R9 290s since November 2013 and this card barely keeps up with them. Or it could have been the fact that I bought an R9 290 Vapor -X for my brother back in November 2014 for $250 and he has been enjoying the same performance at the same price for over a year and half now...

But good for you. I am glad you decided to wait around for over a year and half to get the same performance at the same price. I am sure the extra 4GB of ram was well worth the wait wink.gif
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So what, and for that kind of perfomance on Nvidia's side you had to pay around 450/500$ up until some weeks/months ago (Gtx 980).

I mean, what do you expect? The 480 to be as fast as a Gtx 980ti at the price point it is? Or the 480 to launch at 150$ at the perfomance it is?

To me it always seems like AMD is expected to hand out incredible gifts for people to buy their cards, while "meh" Nvidia cards are ok because they are "premium".

And yes, it is clearly AMD's midrange card and not high end.



480 is exactly what is was promoted to be from AMD, and I bet the AIB cards that can hold their clock from 1300-1400 Mhz are gonna trade blows with high OC'ed Gtx 980 cards.
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You do not price your mid-range sized vs last ranges large high end. If this was the case, videocards would be several thousand dollars today and most of the products we could actually afford would be ant sized.

Only way you can get away with it, if your the luxury brand and your competition has dropped out of the high end space for a decent period of time. And this is why Nvidia is doing it, they are pricing their product at a small premium just like the 7970. A 50 dollar premium vs last gens high end. Because AMD is not going to release a product till 2017 that competes with it. The general market will not wait for vega because polaris was such a let down and because it is too far away from release.

If your the Value brand and you don't value price your product(and they don't offer revolutionary performance), people will wait for the competition to come out with their cards. I.e if polaris 10 was 300 dollars, people would have waited for Nvidia's offerings to be released.
Not sold on the mid range size die you're claiming the 7970 to have been. AMD was still firmly entrenched in their small die stratergy at the time and given that this was their first forray into a GPGPU arch and the fact that Hawaii didn't show up until late 2013, I'm convinced Tahiti was the top dog for AMD, not some 680 masquerading as high end.
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Not sold on the mid range size die you're claiming the 7970 to have been. AMD was still firmly entrenched in their small die stratergy at the time and given that this was their first forray into a GPGPU arch and the fact that Hawaii didn't show up until late 2013, I'm convinced Tahiti was the top dog for AMD, not some 680 masquerading as high end.

It was AMDs top dog. But then again, AMDs top dogs never did compete directly with Nvidia's flagships. They had always outdone Nvidia's mid-grade chips on the performance/dollar metric. Tahiti was the break away from that strategy.

Cayman was 10% larger than Tahiti and Tahiti was only 5% larger than Cypress.
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Not sold on the mid range size die you're claiming the 7970 to have been. AMD was still firmly entrenched in their small die stratergy at the time and given that this was their first forray into a GPGPU arch and the fact that Hawaii didn't show up until late 2013, I'm convinced Tahiti was the top dog for AMD, not some 680 masquerading as high end.
Tahiti was produced in many variants, but the one on the 7970 (XT, XT2 for the 7979 GHZ and some 280x, and XTL for 280x only) was the full chip. Full Stream processor, full perfomance, even in FP64.
Hawaii on the other hand was cut down because of power draw i think (and cost).
Tahiti is 1/4, Hawaii on the 290x is 1/8, Hawaii on the FirePro W9100 is 1/2. And if you think about the 680 (GK104) 1/24 and the same on Quadro. Even comparing the GK110, you are goin from 1/24 on GeForce to 1/3 on Titans and Quadro.
Again, AMD did it better, way better, it was just late. The 280x is on pair with the 780 now, and use less power, even with full chip enabled. I would really like to see some crippled Tahiti chip, just to see the power consumption against the GK104.
Maxwell forgot what's FP64, so it's not here, still, it's a good architechture in other scenarios.
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All AMD did was to drop the 7970 on the 580's price point. At the time there were even $699 custom 580. I also doubt the 7970 was designed as a midrange part even performance wise it's were it ended, it was their top tier.

This is the exact same argument used by those who defend the 1080's ridiculous price. Just change the words "AMD/7970/580" to "nVidia/1080/980 Ti" and you'll see how bad this excuse is.
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You do not price your mid-range sized vs last ranges large high end. If this was the case, videocards would be several thousand dollars today and most of the products we could actually afford would be ant sized.

Only way you can get away with it, if your the luxury brand and your competition has dropped out of the high end space for a decent period of time. And this is why Nvidia is doing it, they are pricing their product at a small premium just like the 7970. A 50 dollar premium vs last gens high end. Because AMD is not going to release a product till 2017 that competes with it. The general market will not wait for vega because polaris was such a let down and because it is too far away from release.

If your the Value brand and you don't value price your product(and they don't offer revolutionary performance), people will wait for the competition to come out with their cards. I.e if polaris 10 was 300 dollars, people would have waited for Nvidia's offerings to be released.

Polaris was exactly what it said it was gonna be. If anyone is disappointed it's because they're infinitely dense and thought it was gonna be something AMD never claimed it to be. You can't blame AMD because you expected the moon even though they never promised that.
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You do not price your mid-range sized vs last ranges large high end. If this was the case, videocards would be several thousand dollars today and most of the products we could actually afford would be ant sized.

Only way you can get away with it, if your the luxury brand and your competition has dropped out of the high end space for a decent period of time. And this is why Nvidia is doing it, they are pricing their product at a small premium just like the 7970. A 50 dollar premium vs last gens high end. Because AMD is not going to release a product till 2017 that competes with it. The general market will not wait for vega because polaris was such a let down and because it is too far away from release.

If your the Value brand and you don't value price your product(and they don't offer revolutionary performance), people will wait for the competition to come out with their cards. I.e if polaris 10 was 300 dollars, people would have waited for Nvidia's offerings to be released.

Polaris was exactly what it said it was gonna be. If anyone is disappointed it's because they're infinitely dense and thought it was gonna be something AMD never claimed it to be. You can't blame AMD because you expected the moon even though they never promised that.

AMD fell short of the power efficiency improvements they promised with Polaris.
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