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Some capacity for rational thought. Definitely didn't find it in your post rolleyes.gif

Thats a very good argument, very factual.
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Nvidia just released a product that performs 30-43% better than the R9 390X and 40-53% better than the R9 390 for $379. The release MSRP of the R9 390X was $429 and the R9 390 was $329. If AMD didn't have a product ready to launch to replace the R9 390 and 390X, a reasonable individual would expect a price break from AMD. Most reasonable people would have expected the new price of the R9 390 and 390X to fall in around $199 for the R9 390 and $249 for the R9 390X. Instead, we find a new product positioned at $239 that ends up providing less or similar performance as the R9 390. Who should find such a product reasonably priced for the performance it delivers?
The only thing unforgivable is your continued use of strawman arguments rolleyes.gif

Reasonable/Sane people would know that you cannot sell a complex/expensive product like the Hawaii cards for 199 Dollars and make a profit at it. So they designed a cheaper product that is the successor of the 380X with good profit margin and with slightly better performance than a 390 that they can sell to the masses for a very attractive price.

Also, quoting the MSRP price of the 1070 ist just nonsense. In most countries it sells for about 500$, and that for weeks. If Nvidia had set the MSRP at 299$ people would still quote that price point even if it would still sell at 500$, so I guess their marketing tricks work for some simpler minded people wink.gif
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Thats a very good argument, very factual.
Reasonable/Sane people would know that you cannot sell a complex/expensive product like the Hawaii cards for 199 Dollars and make a profit at it. So they designed a cheaper product that is the successor of the 380X with good profit margin and with slightly better performance than a 390 that they can sell to the masses for a very attractive price.

Also, quoting the MSRP price of the 1070 ist just nonsense. In most countries it sells for about 500$, and that for weeks. If Nvidia had set the MSRP at 299$ people would still quote that price point even if it would still sell at 500$, so I guess their marketing tricks work for some simpler minded people wink.gif

It would be better to sell them at a slight loss (if it's even a loss) than to not sell them at all.
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It would be better to sell them at a slight loss (if it's even a loss) than to not sell them at all.

Stores / retailers won't want to sell them at a loss just yet. AMD aren't producing or selling these products anymore.
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Man...AIBs are taking long to be released. If nothing shows up by next week, I'm going to purchase a used 980 Ti
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Man...AIBs are taking long to be released. If nothing shows up by next week, I'm going to purchase a used 980 Ti

980ti is the faster card either way
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980ti is the faster card either way
Shouldn't it be in past tense?
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Thats a very good argument, very factual.
Reasonable/Sane people would know that you cannot sell a complex/expensive product like the Hawaii cards for 199 Dollars and make a profit at it. So they designed a cheaper product that is the successor of the 380X with good profit margin and with slightly better performance than a 390 that they can sell to the masses for a very attractive price.

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P10 is about as, if not more than, complex as Hawaii.
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When did AMD present a Hitman demo featuring Polaris?

It was around march, id find the video but the one i had is removed from youtube and i have to work so cant search atm (sorry about late reply)
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P10 is about as, if not more than, complex as Hawaii.

Can't really get behind that considering that Fiji is actually more efficient than P10 if we take out the 14nm advantage, just look at the R9 Nano.
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Can't really get behind that considering that Fiji is actually more efficient than P10 if we take out the 14nm advantage, just look at the R9 Nano.
Nano are binned chips, with a different pcb layout and they also use HBM that needs much more power compared to GDDR5.
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