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You guys above-- I don't understand your argument. Are you putting up a straw man that the drivers alone are supposed to be responsible for the AMD improvements over time, and then trying to debunk that by saying it's the game patches that do it?

I wasn't even talking about AMD. But since you've brought it up, they've been doing a great job of both working with game developers for patches and upping driver performance.

My one and only issue is the source that you used as "science."

That video takes a single website result from a beta patch and presents it as evidence that Nvidia is losing performance.

It doesn't mention the fact that the patch was so bad it was replaced almost immediately. Released Friday January 15th and replaced Tuesday 19th.

It also doesn't mention the fact that when the official patch was released on February 1st, all Nvidia performance had been restored and then some.

Was there a followup video explaining that they were wrong or was the video removed? No.

All I'm saying is that if we're going to present something as true, we need more reputable sources than that to do it.
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Slightly OT from current debates...

But can someone link me to a 3dm11-performance bench for a stock 480?

I can only seem to find pre release benches, and 3DM hasn't added the 480 to their hardware list yet.

I'm just wanting to do a direct comparison to some of my saved results from my last couple cards.

Thanks in advance


EDIT: nevermind the guru 3d review had one.... wish I had checked the reviews top to bottom rather than bottom to top LOL
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I wasn't even talking about AMD. But since you've brought it up, they've been doing a great job of both working with game developers for patches and upping driver performance.

My one and only issue is the source that you used as "science."

That video takes a single website result from a beta patch and presents it as evidence that Nvidia is losing performance.

Project Cars, Batman, Crysis, and Witcher 3 are all discussed. I didn't claim it's the last word, but it is data and does qualify, pure and simple, and raises important points, since those titles are all benchmark titles.

More sources:
http://www.babeltechreviews.com/nvidia-forgotten-kepler-gtx-780-ti-vs-290x-revisited/
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/70125-gtx-780-ti-vs-r9-290x-rematch.html
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Slightly OT from current debates...

But can someone link me to a 3dm11-performance bench for a stock 480?

I can only seem to find pre release benches, and 3DM hasn't added the 480 to their hardware list yet.

I'm just wanting to do a direct comparison to some of my saved results from my last couple cards.

Thanks in advance


EDIT: nevermind the guru 3d review had one.... wish I had checked the reviews top to bottom rather than bottom to top LOL

http://www.3dmark.com/search?_ga=1.65886381.201643081.1463837974

If you use the advanced search part, you can find 480 results.
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it seems you don't understand; i didn't say anything about one piece of hardware but to use several samples of drivers. anecdotal evidence aside, it would have been much better data to draw a conclusion from than comparing just two drivers; the point of discussion is drivers.

Actually no, the point of discussion is the 480 and Polaris. We're going to need either 1. another year, or 2. another thread to have the discussion you'd like to have.

I'm definitely interested in that other conversation though. Namely, what would the methodology be, since games are constantly patched, and drivers have specific game optimizations that work together with game patches? Tough to patch games incrementally over time, as they would do over Steam, to test the corresponding driver releases.

welp if you didn't notice i am discussing drivers and so was my post that you replied to. but it's all good if you don't want to continue. i'll however point out the link in my sig to a discussion for further exploration.

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Anyone who keeps up with gpu benchmarks should notice many of cards pulling ahead of kepler.

I don't understand your argument. Go look at some 480 reviews if you need benchmarks. Or continue denying the apparent

who is denying anything? headscratch.gif
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welp if you didn't notice i am discussing drivers and so was my post that you replied to. but it's all good if you don't want to continue.

I'm not sure you understand. Are you aware that GPU drivers contain game optimizations, and game patches contain GPU optimizations, and these work together?
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Project Cars, Batman, Crysis, and Witcher 3 are all discussed. I didn't claim it's the last word, but it is data and does qualify, pure and simple, and raises important points, since those titles are all benchmark titles.

More sources:
http://www.babeltechreviews.com/nvidia-forgotten-kepler-gtx-780-ti-vs-290x-revisited/
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/70125-gtx-780-ti-vs-r9-290x-rematch.html

I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say here.

The AMD side shows improvement exactly like we know it is.

The Nvidia side shows that the driver regression that people here keep talking about is a myth as well.

The Titan OG weird results? I have no idea honestly. But there are only two explanations given that the 780 Ti does not share them.

Something happened with Babeltech's results. Or

Someone inside Nvidia's driver team is crippling specific games for Titan OG while leaving other games and the 780 Ti out of it.

Which one is more realistic?
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I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say here.

The AMD side shows improvement exactly like we know it is.

The Nvidia side shows that the driver regression that people here keep talking about is a myth as well.

The Titan OG weird results? I have no idea honestly. But there are only two explanations given that the 780 Ti does not share them.

Something happened with Babeltech's results. Or

Someone inside Nvidia's driver team is crippling specific games while leaving other games and the 780 Ti out of it.

Which one is more realistic?
False dichotomy. We cannot flip a coin whenever deciding upon guesswork.
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I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say here.

The AMD side shows improvement exactly like we know it is.

The Nvidia side shows that the driver regression that people here keep talking about is a myth as well.

The Titan OG weird results? I have no idea honestly. But there is only two explanations given that the 780 Ti does not share them.

Something happened with Babeltech's results. Or

Someone inside Nvidia's driver team is crippling specific games while leaving other games and the 780 Ti out of it.

Which one is more realistic?

LOL! I guess everyone is assumed to have a fanboy argument. biggrin.gif Don't take me for one, though-- I don't believe in a Kepler or Maxwell driver regression, based on the evidence. Based on that same evidence, however, I do believe in a huge AMD improvement, beyond what Nvidia has been able to provide for past architectures.

It's why that 7970 is still loitering around at the bottom of all these new benches, and why Hawaii / Grenada is still throwing punches.
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