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Originally Posted by dmasteR View Post

Don't you think it would be better to just throw out Pcars? PCars is the only big outlier on Toms Hardware review unless I missed something else. Definitely understand what you're saying though as majority of the games they used were GameWorks titles, but isn't that reality? There are a lot of games in the future that will be GameWorks titles....

Not sure on HardOCP's as I haven't looked at their benchmark yet, to see why their results are also vastly different from the majority.

EDIT: Seems like HARDOCP's review had only 4 games which is why their results are so different. Quite odd they didn't even test games like GTA V considering just about every review has that. GTA V seems pretty vendor neutral from what I've seen.

Every reviewer averaged the 1060 being 5% faster than the RX 480, tomshardware averaged 3 times that in favor of the 1060 and HardOCP averaged almost 3 times in favor of the RX 480.

No reviewer tested Vulkan, which mind you is being used with the most popular game on steam, DOTA, that have more players than all of Gameworks games combined, and what about Doom Vulkan?

So were you saying? Why they don't test games that the majority of people play, instead of Gameworks titles? See how you shot your self in the foot with your comment?

tomshardware had the guts to include games like Hitman and not use DirectX 12 but had no problem using games like Metro Last Loght and cranking all the Gameworks effects, using Project Nvidia maxed out, and they even used Battlefield 4 and didn't used Mantle......?

Tomshardware review is absolute garbage, and it saddens me the fact hat you can't see that.
Edited by Dargonplay - 7/23/16 at 8:41am
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also dota II have vulkan and AMD cards do pretty well under win 10 + dota II vulkan
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Every reviewer averaged the 1060 being 5% faster than the RX 480, tomshardware averaged 3 times that in favor of the 1060 and HardOCP averaged almost 3 times in favor of the RX 480.

No reviewer tested Vulkan, which mind you is being used with the most popular game on steam, DOTA, that have more players than all of Gameworks games combined, and what about Doom Vulkan?

So were you saying? Why they don't test games that the majority of people play, instead of Gameworks titles? See how you shot your self in the foot with your comment?

tomshardware had the guts to include games like Hitman and not use DirectX 12 but had no problem using games like Metro Last Loght and cranking all the Gameworks effects, using Project Nvidia maxed out, and they even used Battlefield 4 and didn't used Mantle......?

Tomshardware review is absolute garbage, and it saddens me the fact hat you can't see that.

I assume you don't play DOTA as nearly no one is actually using Vulkan on DOTA 2. The performance is absolutely terrible compared to DX11.

I never said they don't test games that the majority of people play. Why are you saying things I didn't say?

I'm going to also assume you don't play BattleField 4 because Mantle doesn't even work anymore unless you go back to much older drivers (16.5.2 or before). People would then complain that Reviewers are using old drivers. rolleyes.gif

You really need to stop assuming things.

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also dota II have vulkan and AMD cards do pretty well under win 10 + dota II vulkan

Have you played DOTA2 on Vulkan? It runs poorly compared to DX11. Constant crashing for some people, or just plain poor performance.
Edited by dmasteR - 7/23/16 at 10:42am
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yeah Dota 2 Vulkan is mostly an experiment, to show - here we have Vulkan

game still runs best on its primary API


Doom on GCN is the first (and so far only) real relevant implementation of Vulkan thumb.gif
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I assume you don't play DOTA as nearly no one is actually using Vulkan on DOTA 2.

You assume?
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You really need to stop assuming things.

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You assume?
rolleyes.gif

If he played DOTA2 he would know the performance is poor compared to DX11 and wouldn't be bringing it up thumb.gif
Vulkan on the Source engine is still in its infancy and will most likely be in it's infancy for quite sometime. Just loaded up DOTA2 on Vulkan (haven't in about 2 weeks). Performance is still poor and there's still UI issues.
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If he played DOTA2 he would know the performance is poor compared to DX11 and wouldn't be bringing it up thumb.gif

Just loaded up DOTA2 on Vulkan (haven't in about 2 weeks). Performance is still poor and there's still UI issues.

The key to hypocrisy is subtlety. thumb.gif
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If Nvidia is on board with Vulken we're to assume this is the future API to become standard?
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Idk why I'm bothering explaining this to someone who thought MSI, Asus, and Gigabyte were nvidia exclusive partners..

Yeah, that was a pretty silly blunder on my part. Last time I had really paid attention to AIBs was when I bought my GTX 670, and I don't recal havingl seen MSI and GIgabyte vendors for AMD cards.
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Honestly, using PCars as part of a benchmark suite is like using a Roy quote and awarding it 200 FPS. It's just not objective or representative of anything.

Sent from my PC with a 1070 in it.

I respectfully disagree. I agree the fact that statistically, it is an exception, in that its performance on Nvidia hardware decimates AMD hardware. But then it begs the question, at what point, should a game be excluded from benchmark suites?

Right now, a game like ANNO 2205 sees performance differences in the 20-30% range between the GTX1060 and the RX 480. Does that mean it should be excluded? In some benchmarks, Overwatch shows 20% difference. Should that be included?

Point is, when you start to cherry pick benchmarks, it starts becoming less and less representative of what to expect. Even if the reason for the performance difference IS because Nvidia lined their pockets, paid them off, helped them code... What have you. Point is, if NVidia somehow managed to line the pockets of 80% of developers, or managed to convince them to use Nvidia technology, it would still mean that 80% of games would likely perform better on Nvidia hardware, regardless of whether or not the performance is due to the hardware, or the games being optimized for Nvidia.
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