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Originally Posted by neurotix View Post

I pretty much knew this would happen so I ignored all the hype.

People were saying total lies like it would OC to 1500mhz, be faster than a 980ti, be faster than a 1070, be faster than a Fury X and all that.
Once we found out the die size, all those claims became irrelevant. Just as many people were saying AMD would be incapable of beating a 980 Ti because they have absolutely no knowledge of what die shrinks do. It's been 5 years, after all, so we have a lot of people who haven't even been interested in the enthusiast scene for long enough to see one.

I know I've personally made rebuttals explaining why the new generation of AMD cards could easily surpass any of the current offerings.

But again, die size matters. And fab process matters. It's difficult to compare based on die size now, because we have NV on TSMC's node and AMD on GloFlo's node. We more or less need to compare on price, as opposed to the traditional way (die size) to find out who's touting the superior architecture.

And there are more questions. Everyone is hitting a hard limit when overclocking, reporting extreme artifacting and crashes once they get to the tipping point. This is symptomatic of a GPU that isn't getting enough power. This makes it even more difficult to know what the chip is capable of, but we would hope that AMD didn't do this to save money and keep P10 from interfering with future midrange segments.

It's difficult to make accurate predictions about this stuff. Some people might see that AMD opted for 14nm FF and assume the node is superior to TSMC's 16nm FF, but they'd likely be wrong because GloFlo nodes have been disastrous for years. Some people will see the clocks or temps and assume the chip doesn't have more potential, but they could easily be wrong as well because AMD has junk reference coolers and we might be hitting a power draw wall when overclocking.

Saying you "called it" just means that you made a severely uneducated guess and you happened to be right. That, or you know more about the TSMC, GloFlo, and the testing of this chip that occurred behind closed doors with different coolers, drivers, and power delivery. If it's the latter, I'll excuse myself. But, I know you wouldn't be on here saying you called it if that were the case.
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Originally Posted by sage101 View Post

It seems everyone in here is disappointed in the 480 mainly because it's on par with the 970 but the same people were praising and recommending the 960 when it was release and it couldn't even beat the HD7950 which was released in 2011.

Anyone that ever praised the 960 is an idiot... lol
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I read every single one of the 885 posts (as of me typing this), and my IQ has gone down about 20 points and I'm physically exhausted, so I'm just going to express myself through others and maybe throw in a snide remark/emoji here or there.

How I feel about the card:
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Originally Posted by zealord View Post

I need something more yes.

What others need I don't know.

After it became clear that AMD plans on hitting the 200-300$ budget crowd I lowered my expectations. I expected :

- 200-239$
- GTX 980 performance
- better performance/watt than 28nm GPUs
- moderate overclockability.

and I was disappointed by today. It's as simple as that. Other people may have had lower expectations. Good for them I guess.
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Originally Posted by zealord View Post

my reasoning isn't flawed because the person asked what's the problem with the negative attitude of informed people here. It has nothing to do with how well the card is doing or anything like that. I think it is safe to say that many people (those that know a thing or two about GPU releases) are disappointed (atleast to some extent).

You are trying to make my post into something it isn't. The person didn't ask for a market analysis from me or anything. There is a huge difference and I was only responding to the raw question and didn't go any further.

The RX480 simply isn't as good as informed people hoped it'd be. I am not saying it should've been on GTX 1080 levels, but AMD even managed to undergo my low expectations of 980 performance on average.

The RX480 is still going to sell allright, because AMD finally managed to create hype with marketing. It's good for them, bad for us.

Like I said earlier. it's probably a good card to go for those that buy a new budget PC and don't really care or those that come from a 750 Ti or 670 or 7850 or something.

Still disappointing in the grand scheme of things considering we are on 14nm in 2016.

That is why there is a small "outrage" on various sites. You can't ignore that.
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Originally Posted by Butthurt Beluga View Post

I was sort of hoping this wouldn't happen, it's not like AMD said anything close to "GTX 980" performance themselves, and all signs pointed to the RX 480 (AdoredTV correctly pointed out a month ago that it was an R9 290 replacement, R9 390~ level Steam VR benchmark, AMD positioning the card between GTX 970 and GTX 980) being an R9 390/GTX 970 replacement - and it is, and it's pretty good at what it does.
But even so I can't help but feel disappointed, because in a good number of scenarios it's only barely ahead of a R9 390 and GTX 970, and the PPW seems to not come from improvements to the arch. but rather simply from 14nmFF.

Disappointed still, not just with RX 480 but with the GTX 1070/1080 too - I was expecting way too much just because there hasn't been a die shrink since 2011, I guess.

Although I would expect improvement in drivers to at least give this card 10% better performance across the board, and I'm sure in a year it actually will be outperforming a GTX 980.

tl;dr version:
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Originally Posted by Slomo4shO View Post

In what universe is a $239 price for 3 year old performance really good? I suppose you found the GTX 960 providing near GTX 680 performance at $200 a great buy as well rolleyes.gif

Other musings about the card:
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Originally Posted by moustang View Post

I think the segment that you speak of has moved a bit. This card is the same price as a GTX 970 now, and they both seem to be very similar in performance as well.

I see it as a strange card. I can't help but wonder why AMD bothered even making a new card that was so close to their existing ones in performance. Seems to me they could have simply doubled the RAM on the 290X and it would have essentially been the same thing. In fact I can't help but wonder why it has 8GB of RAM when it clearly lacks the performance and bandwidth to actually make use of it in high resolutions. 8GB is hardly necessary for 1080p playing.
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Originally Posted by Rei86 View Post

Wait... why would more VRAM let you play at a higher setting...?

To help with edge cases where 4GB is just barely not enough. DOOM with ultra nightmare settings would be one example, but I'm sure as we go forward and PC game optimization continues its downward spiral, vram requirements are just going to get more and more bloated.
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Originally Posted by tajoh111 View Post

As I said in april, expect 2x performance per watt increase, not 2.5. Both companies don't tell the truth.

But back to performance. This is kind of disappointing as it performs closer to my worst expectations then my optimistic ones. Closer to 390 performance than 390x. With power consumption closer to 150 watts than 100. If people were critical of Nvidia's marketing, they have to be critical here too. AMD obviously framed certain and best case scenario's at earlier presentations. What is clear however is why these products are priced as they are.

I was expecting, the 1070 to be 35-40% faster, not 50%. It's no wonder this thing is priced at 200 for the 4gb and 229 for the 8gb.

The engineering on this card is a big let down in general. Mahigan, is probably going to disappear for a while considering the hype he talked about this card.

The 1080 is 80% faster which is insane. Forget vega, AMD needs the ones that comes after this. It's crazy how much AMD engineering has fallen behind. Two pitcairns smoked the 680. Two rx 480's not so much vs the 1080. Add in how far ahead Nvidia is in regards to performance per watt, and it seems like maxwell architecture conroed AMD.

GCN needs to replaced asap. It's starting to show it's age.

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Green goblins who bleed red:
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Originally Posted by sugarhell View Post

Well i kinda miss alatar and the old guys here on ocn. This is not a conversation just fanboys are fighting each other with zero logic. And the lack of the mods in general..

I am out have fun guys
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Originally Posted by Kinaesthetic View Post

A major problem is the sheer lack of modding on OCN anymore. Like seriously. As of this comment, there are around 3300 users on OCN, a tenth of which are viewing this thread. And there area only 2-3 mods on this website at any point in time. That is just wrong.

And of the 2-3 mods on, only one of them is actively reading threads, let alone moderating. tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by MNiceGuy View Post

This thread is exploding so fast there's no way I'm able to catch everything being said. That being said I feel like some people are approaching it like this:

Oh the new AMD card. Hmmm - I'm supposed to hate them I think.

It's too expensive! Err...wait it's actually reasonably priced. Nevermind

It's not powerful enough! Err....It's actually good performance at that pricepoint. Nevermind

It's a botched launch! Err...They actually have good stock for launch day. Nevermind

The performance/watt is not as good as Nvidia. AH HA! OMG AMD is doomed! Worst launch in history! Hear that internet? I don't like something!

Some of these arguments are stretched sooo thin. The 1080 thread, a discussion for the currently most powerful gaming GPU, was full of penny pincers and now this thread is full of power efficiency aficionados.

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Originally Posted by Waitng4realGPU View Post

I could purchase any of those three cards right now unlike some people who have to use their credit card lol.

I've pretty much stopped using cash since 2012 except for paying rent. I actually lose out if I don't use my credit card since I always get 1% cashback and up to 3% for certain things or if there are special deals. Also my bank runs these amazing cashback deals with selected retailers, and I actually got $50 cashback when I bought my 980 Ti from TigerDirect. thumb.gif
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Originally Posted by Ultracarpet View Post

Was going to buy 2 rx 480's....... but like.... they are 329 CAD, and I can find gtx 1070's for mid-low $500's..... Haven't had an Nvidia card since the 8800gt....... To betray, or not betray.....

When in doubt, gently poke yourself with a needle until some blood comes out. If you bleed red, then definitely buy 2 RX 480s. If you bleed green, dial 911 right away.
post #894 of 3674
seems like newegg might be creating an artificial shortage by only listing a few at a time and only for short duration. The XFX OC model is still in stock but not even listed unless you have the physical link to it and the other listings keep appearing and disappearing.
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while Kyle at hardocp can be said to say things all over the place he got word that aib OC can be expected to be 1480-1600mhz. overclock. Individual cards can vary.
so if that holds up and anything dont say it will your seeing a 20%-25% OC and then it will be up there within the 980ti/furyx especially in Dx12 titles and be fair thats is the future of PC gaming with dx12 titles like BF1 is coming.
Looks good for the 480 OC value people as myself.
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@magnek
You're insane man, I read the first 8-10 pages and I was already getting ill. Lol

Good tl;dr highlights
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his math is correct.

That means both of you have no math skills.
Three 12v lanes does not mean 6A per 12V. It means total of 6A on a 12V spec connector, in this case, 2Ax 3 hot / 3 ground x 12v total, aka, spec for 75W.
You should learn your GPU.
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while Kyle at hardocp can be said to say things all over the place he got word that aib OC can be expected to be 1480-1600mhz. overclock. Individual cards can vary.
so if that holds up and anything dont say it will your seeing a 20%-25% OC and then it will be up there within the 980ti/furyx especially in Dx12 titles and be fair thats is the future of PC gaming with dx12 titles like BF1 is coming.
Looks good for the 480 OC value people as myself.
props to you for you tenacity even after today thumb.gif
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while Kyle at hardocp can be said to say things all over the place he got word that aib OC can be expected to be 1480-1600mhz. overclock. Individual cards can vary.
so if that holds up and anything dont say it will your seeing a 20%-25% OC and then it will be up there within the 980ti/furyx especially in Dx12 titles and be fair thats is the future of PC gaming with dx12 titles like BF1 is coming.
Looks good for the 480 OC value people as myself.

And the hype is born again, well that's 1 passenger that won't be hopping this train.
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I read every single one of the 885 posts (as of me typing this), and my IQ has gone down about 20 points and I'm physically exhausted, so I'm just going to express myself through others and maybe throw in a snide remark/emoji here or there.
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How I feel about the card:


tl;dr version:
Other musings about the card:

To help with edge cases where 4GB is just barely not enough. DOOM with ultra nightmare settings would be one example, but I'm sure as we go forward and PC game optimization continues its downward spiral, vram requirements are just going to get more and more bloated.
At first I was like headscratch.gif and I thought you spelled cornered wrong, but then I realized you were devil.gif and I lachen.gif

Green goblins who bleed red:

And of the 2-3 mods on, only one of them is actively reading threads, let alone moderating. tongue.gif
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When in doubt, gently poke yourself with a needle until some blood comes out. If you bleed red, then definitely buy 2 RX 480s. If you bleed green, dial 911 right away.

 

 

I mean, it lacks a certain zantastic quality but this is a good summary. +1 for public service!

     
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AMD Ryzen 7 1700X @ 4.0 GHz 1.37v o/s  Biostar X370 GT7 Sapphire Radeon RX Vega 64 8GB HBM2 G.SKILL TridentZ RGB Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) @ 32... 
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Biostar M200-240 240GB m.2 SATA SSD (Win) Samsung 850 Pro 256GB SSD (Linux) SanDisk Ultra II 480GB SSD (Games) Seagate 2TB SSHD (Storage) 
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LG DVD RW Swiftech H220-X2 Swiftech Komodo RX-ECO Vega Water Block XSPC EX240 Rad 
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Gentle Typhoon 120mm x4 Ubuntu 17.10 w/ custom kernel Windows 10 Pro Pixio PX277 27" 1440p 144Hz DP-Adaptive Sync w... 
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JAR-OWL J1 Rainbow LED Mechanical SeaSonic X-Series 1050w Gold+ Corsair 760T Zowie FK1 
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Razer Firefly Plantronics Rig 500e Gaming Headset Marantz Pro MPH-1 Monitoring Headphones S.M.S.L SD-793II Audio DAC + Headphone Amplifier 
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Intel Core i7-4790k @ 4.6GHz Asrock Z97 Extreme6 EVGA GTX 1070 SC Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2x8GB) @ 2133 10-10-10-... 
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Intel 530 Series 480GB SSD Seagate 2TB SSHD LG DVD RW Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 
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Windows 10 40" Vizio HDTV HP Generic EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650w 
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Corsair Carbide 300R Logitech Generic HyperX Cloud 
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AMD FX-6300 @ 4.3GHz 1.35v Biostar TA970 v5.3 MSI HD 6950 2GB G.Skill Ripjaws Z 16GB (4x4GB) 1600 
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Cryorig H5 Ultimate Corsair AF120 (White LED) x3 Corsair AF140 (White LED) x2 Windows 10 Pro 
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