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If the card is truly only being held back board power and cooling, the AIB cards could be wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy faster than these.... which makes me think that they will be wayyyyyyyy more expensive, or they won't be much faster at all because the chip just stinks, otherwise there is going to be a loooooooooot of salty dogs with reference rx480s lol.
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I guess for $200 this card is ok? Doesn't seem to be all that exciting overall
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I think it's a good deal for what you get. It smokes my 380x that I bought just seven months ago for $240 after taxes.

 

I Could have waited for this but have no regrets with the 380x as I plan on gaming on 1080p for at least another couple of years. I'm waiting till 2018 when AMD will probably have some Zen APU's under their belt and I can purchase one of those and a discreet card that will kick in during gaming sessions. Also a more mature 14nm.

 

The power usage issue on the RX 480 seems to me to be the same issue as against Maxwell on 28nm. That architecture is meant more or less for gaming only and Pascal is just a shrink of that. AMD still has the extra features (and more now) to deal with DX12 which simply takes more juice.

 

The AIO cards in a couple of weeks should address the power through the pci slots and cool this baby down as well. AMD should sell a boatload of these.

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Originally Posted by Ultracarpet View Post

If the card is truly only being held back board power and cooling, the AIB cards could be wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy faster than these.... which makes me think that they will be wayyyyyyyy more expensive, or they won't be much faster at all because the chip just stinks, otherwise there is going to be a loooooooooot of salty dogs with reference rx480s lol.

That is a huge IF.
Mainly because if the card is already seeing artifacts at a somewhat low OC room, the chip itself is already hitting its pretty top performance.
AIBs might change VRMs or memory chips which might give it a bit of extra room. But all those big promises, I'm very skeptic about them.
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wait wait, So it has the TFLOPs of a 390x but is clearly slower than a 390x?


*insert explicative here*

This better be a driver issue.
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Do I buy a ticket for the custom card train? Or is already left the station?
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wait wait, So it has the TFLOPs of a 390x but is clearly slower than a 390x?


*insert explicative here*

This better be a driver issue.

Because tflops are always a poor example of real world performance.
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Do I buy a ticket for the custom card train? Or is already left the station?
The train has tons of seating, a lot of people got off at the last stop!
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Once we found out the die size, all those claims became irrelevant. Just as many people were saying AMD would be incapable of beating a 980 Ti because they have absolutely no knowledge of what die shrinks do. It's been 5 years, after all, so we have a lot of people who haven't even been interested in the enthusiast scene for long enough to see one.

I know I've personally made rebuttals explaining why the new generation of AMD cards could easily surpass any of the current offerings.

But again, die size matters. And fab process matters. It's difficult to compare based on die size now, because we have NV on TSMC's node and AMD on GloFlo's node. We more or less need to compare on price, as opposed to the traditional way (die size) to find out who's touting the superior architecture.

And there are more questions. Everyone is hitting a hard limit when overclocking, reporting extreme artifacting and crashes once they get to the tipping point. This is symptomatic of a GPU that isn't getting enough power. This makes it even more difficult to know what the chip is capable of, but we would hope that AMD didn't do this to save money and keep P10 from interfering with future midrange segments.

It's difficult to make accurate predictions about this stuff. Some people might see that AMD opted for 14nm FF and assume the node is superior to TSMC's 16nm FF, but they'd likely be wrong because GloFlo nodes have been disastrous for years. Some people will see the clocks or temps and assume the chip doesn't have more potential, but they could easily be wrong as well because AMD has junk reference coolers and we might be hitting a power draw wall when overclocking.

Saying you "called it" just means that you made a severely uneducated guess and you happened to be right. That, or you know more about the TSMC, GloFlo, and the testing of this chip that occurred behind closed doors with different coolers, drivers, and power delivery. If it's the latter, I'll excuse myself. But, I know you wouldn't be on here saying you called it if that were the case.


I'll humor you and reply even if your attitude is clearly antagonistic and vengeful.

No, I didn't "know more about the TSMC, GloFlo, and the testing of this chip that occurred behind closed doors with different coolers, drivers, and power delivery."

I simply made an educated guess, that you call an uneducated one, because 1) It's AMD 2) the Fury X underperformed and 3) There's been tremendous unwarranted hype and rumors since the card was announced. Surely, it doesn't take much reason (or a rocket scientist) to figure that the card would probably not live up to the rumors. It's really as simple as that.

Of course, it probably helps that I'm a fairly high ranked enthusiast benchmarker on HWBOT that has benched nothing but AMD cards since 2011. At least 10 of them. The majority are GCN. So I have a fairly deep understanding of how these GPUs work, how they overclock and so forth. I'll assume you're capable of finding my profile there, if you're so inclined. Traditionally, AMD cards overclock less than Nvidia, so I figured the rumors about the RX 480 overclocking to crazy levels were probably false. Though, that may change with AIB cards and better power delivery. However, I strongly doubt this will be the case based on my experiences.

Even IF the RX 480 can overclock to the 1500mhz range, and by doing so it pulls ahead of the 390/290, from the benchmarks of it I've seen it will still be less powerful than the 390 at the same clocks. E.g. it may take a RX 480 at 1500mhz to equal a 390/290 at 1200mhz. In which case, the card is basically a failure imo. It needed to be faster than the 390/290, but it isn't, probably because it has less ROPs and TMUs.
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Sorry guys I had to hit the bathroom. Where are we at in the cycle?

1. AMD is doomed
2. GTX 970 is better
3. I'm definitely keeping my old card
4. OMG the power efficiency!!
5. The cooler sucks
6. Everything sucks

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