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Those of you that are not running AV, do you leave Defender running, or even disable that?
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Originally Posted by nvidiaftw12 View Post

I've been saying for years, Norton is worse than the viruses it tries to block,

Wait, I thought that Norton was the virus?
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AVG and Nod32 are the only ones i've used for a while
Nod32, haven't heard that name in a while.

I've been using avast and avira free versions for a while now.

This is not good to hear from Symantec and Norton though. Functionality with kernel access that can be easily exploited sounds like pure laziness.
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post #34 of 45
Real time antivirus is for people who are ignorant to the better solution. Antivirus is essentially bloatware, it's like calling the cops after letting someone break into your house, when you could instead lock the door with a correctly configured adblocker.

Ublock Origin with these filters is all your prevention:


To clean out any existing crap use Hitman Pro (VERY impressed with this, unlike any other scanning program I've seen), ADWcleaner, and Malwarebytes AntiMalware/AntiRootkit. (These are all run once and delete utilities here, no installation needed). Use ADWcleaner later on every few months if you want to make sure .

Uninstall all bloatware and everything unnecessary with Geek Uninstaller to remove traces, and clean the rest out with that good 'ole CCleaner (portable)+CCenhancer combo. thumb.gif You should be repairing registry and managing startup with CCleaner here too.

Keep programs up to date, especially browsers and windows.

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7 years, no viruses, no AV, 0 resource usage from antivirus. Make sure you disable windows defender! It's enabled by default and sucks up CPU time and disk usage more than windows update. redface.gif

ESET NOD32 is one of the worst CPU and disk hogs, Norton and McAfee are literally viruses, Avira has gone from a decent (although still pointless) program to a disaster, and AVG is useless. Actually, they are all useless. I had a machine with active ESET NOD32 virus protection AND Windows defender and it was full of viruses and crap, but as usual the slowdown was coming from the AV itself. rolleyes.gif

Why do we use AV in the first place? SO we don't get a virus ridden machine that gets SLOWED DOWN AND HAS OBNOXIOUS THINGS RUNNING IN THE BACKGROUND OR POPPING UP. Gee, doesn't that sound like every AV program in existence? lachen.gif lol so stupid.
Edited by cookieboyeli - 7/7/16 at 8:24pm
post #35 of 45
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Real time antivirus is for people who are ignorant to the better solution. Antivirus is essentially bloatware, it's like calling the cops after letting someone break into your house, when you could instead lock the door with a correctly configured adblocker.

Ublock Origin with these filters is all your prevention:


To clean out any existing crap use Hitman Pro (VERY impressed with this, unlike any other scanning program I've seen), ADWcleaner, and Malwarebytes AntiMalware/AntiRootkit. (These are all run once and delete utilities here, no installation needed). Use ADWcleaner later on every few months if you want to make sure .

Uninstall all bloatware and everything unnecessary with Geek Uninstaller to remove traces, and clean the rest out with that good 'ole CCleaner (portable)+CCenhancer combo. thumb.gif You should be repairing registry and managing startup with CCleaner here too.

Keep programs up to date, especially browsers and windows.

thumb.gif

7 years, no viruses, no AV, 0 resource usage from antivirus. Make sure you disable windows defender! It's enabled by default and sucks up CPU time and disk usage more than windows update. redface.gif

ESET NOD32 is one of the worst CPU and disk hogs, Norton and McAfee are literally viruses, Avira has gone from a decent (although still pointless) program to a disaster, and AVG is useless. Actually, they are all useless. I had a machine with active ESET NOD32 virus protection AND Windows defender and it was full of viruses and crap, but as usual the slowdown was coming from the AV itself. rolleyes.gif

Why do we use AV in the first place? SO we don't get a virus ridden machine that gets SLOWED DOWN AND HAS OBNOXIOUS THINGS RUNNING IN THE BACKGROUND OR POPPING UP. Gee, doesn't that sound like every AV program in existence? lachen.gif lol so stupid.

Are you running a Pentium 3/K6 with 128MB RAM? Panda is using 300MB RAM and about 0.1% CPU when idle. My octa core CPU, SSD and 16GB RAM are wondering what resource usage you're talking about.

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How do these paid-for companies manage to get users to buy their products?
Marketing.
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I have never used Norton ever since the beginning days back late '90s, where after u install, it needed an act of God to complete remove evrything.
post #38 of 45
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Originally Posted by Mookster View Post

Stopped using anti-virus software 9 years ago, aside from the occasional manual scan executables. Stopped getting viruses. Stopped having weird Windows issues that are just as damaging as viruses.

They're annoying, intrusive, spammy, and resource hogs. I suspect that they might sometimes compromise critical windows files. I think programmers will first seek to exploit the vulnerabilities of the AV software instead of the operating system itself. I would.

Plenty of people will disagree with me, but my PC experience has been phenomenal from the day I got rid of all my AV software. Hard to argue with those results.

Yep. Well said.

I've ditched anti-virus software, except for Malwarebytes which in my experience has been the only worthwhile thing to have. Even there, though, I am careful where I go and am about to uninstall it too.
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Are you running a Pentium 3/K6 with 128MB RAM? Panda is using 300MB RAM and about 0.1% CPU when idle. My octa core CPU, SSD and 16GB RAM are wondering what resource usage you're talking about.
300MB of waste.
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Real time antivirus is for people who are ignorant to the better solution. Antivirus is essentially bloatware, it's like calling the cops after letting someone break into your house, when you could instead lock the door with a correctly configured adblocker.

Ublock Origin with these filters is all your prevention:


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Uninstall all bloatware and everything unnecessary with Geek Uninstaller to remove traces, and clean the rest out with that good 'ole CCleaner (portable)+CCenhancer combo. thumb.gif You should be repairing registry and managing startup with CCleaner here too.

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I am currently also back to running without antivirus. I have a definitely lag when browsing through folders and irks me as time passes. I run Comodo with full D+ deployed (not terribly happy either, as the use of hooks also adds lags, but it's 1000% safer than antivirus, so i prefer its lag than the one of the antivirus) + third party sandboxes. Hitman Pro is great, as it uses multiple scanning engines, but, it's still a scanner. See it fail here after it "intercepts" Ransomware. The Ransomware proves to be stronger than Hitman Pro and overwrites the MBR, completely owning Hitman pro...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teUbLpOwK4Y&feature=youtu.be

EDIT: CORRECTION. In the video it's Hitman Pro Alert (the company's specialized antiransomware. But if it fails while detecting and "terminating" the malware, chances are that the "normal" Hitman Pro will also fail).

I also use Geek Uninstaller + CCleaner (plus Bleachbit for extra ooomph). thumb.gif
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