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Well case where custom were worse than reference are very rare or am i wrong, but anyway i can understand that case or the thing with waterblocks.
But for any other makes very little sense.
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Originally Posted by ronnin426850 View Post

Powerdraw and Powerdistribution are two veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery different things. 480 has no issues with power draw. It haD issues with power distribution.
The current state of the situation is as follows: There is no longer a situation, everything is resolved with the last AMD drivers.

Correct, two different things, but AMD's TDP (which is different from nvidia's TDP) represents the max Watts drawn from the card under load, which was 150W for the 480, it wasn't respected, cause in some benchmark the card reached ~180W, so power draw isn't really good, on the other hand yes, the problem wasn't the draw, but the distribution, and despite the fix, several tests showed that the card is still at pciex limit, surpassing the standard max current drawable wich is 5.5A but in some games it still reaches ~6A. Surely better but still not good, and there's nothing amd can do about it now, so let's wait AIBs and a possible refresh later.
Edited by oxidized - 7/9/16 at 9:23am
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Powerdraw and Powerdistribution are two veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery different things. 480 has no issues with power draw. It haD issues with power distribution.
The current state of the situation is as follows: There is no longer a situation, everything is resolved with the last AMD drivers.
Man, you are such an ignorant person.
Here, I put this image for you and even translated if you are slow to figure out by intuition. Go eat your power distribution and concentrate on PCI-E specced max powerdraw.


Now if you still have questions or mistakenly believe you still shouldn't see how you are wrong then go reread my latest 3 post as much time as you need (2 times or 4, whatever).
Edited by Ajvar - 7/9/16 at 9:21am
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The power delivery system is done very well on these cards, as far as components go. It's complete overkill for what the card needs.
Yeah but the split is poor. Should have went with 33/67% not 50/50%. I bet the mosfets can handle way more power than the PCB could survive, not sure about the rest of components but mosfets these days are very good with low resistance and high amps good efficiency, especially when the input voltage is 12V it only gets challenging to find top notch ones when you go down to 3-5V but there still exist some.
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Man, you are such an ignorant person.
Here, I put this image for you and even translated if you are slow to figure out by intuition. Go eat your power distribution and concentrate on PCI-E specced max powerdraw.


Now if you still have questions or mistakenly believe you still shouldn't see how you are wrong then go reread my latest 3 post as much time as you need (2 times or 4, whatever).
Wise people, such as yourself, would know 6 pin and 8 pin connectors are only differentiated by the amount of current drawn from the same cables, imo.
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Yeah but the split is poor. Should have went with 33/67% not 50/50%. I bet the mosfets can handle way more power than the PCB could survive, not sure about the rest of components but mosfets these days are very good with low resistance and high amps good efficiency, especially when the input voltage is 12V it only gets challenging to find top notch ones when you go down to 3-5V but there still exist some.
We can split it 2/(3+1) thanks to The Stilt and that is just as good.
Edited by mtcn77 - 7/9/16 at 9:43am
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RLY? If AMD sets lower clocks of their ref 480 what would be? Lower powerdraw.
It's basic rule of overclocking. Higher Clocks = Higher Temperature + Higher Powerdraw.
There were Engineering Samples of RX 480 clocked at 800MHz for a reason. AMD just decided that it would be a nonsense to distribute a card which can't even compete with GTX 970 on DX11 so they had to clock it that high that it draws 170W+ while at possible 150W max.

 

Yeah, there also are engineering samples of Ivy Bridge processors that lack PCIe lanes, that run at half the target clockspeed, that aren't stable, have no turbo boost...

 

What ESs have or have not means absolutely bugger all. Find yourself somewhere else to nitpick, that was a terrible example.

   
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Correct, two different things, but AMD's TDP (which is different from nvidia's TDP) represents the max Watts drawn from the card under load, which was 150W for the 480, it wasn't respected, cause in some benchmark the card reached ~180W, so power draw isn't really good, on the other hand yes, the problem wasn't the draw, but the distribution, and despite the fix, several tests showed that the card is still at pciex limit, surpassing the standard max current drawable wich is 5.5A but in some games it still reaches ~6A. Surely better but still not good, and there's nothing amd can do about it now, so let's wait AIBs and a possible refresh later.

It all comes down to VRM efficiency. The RX 480 GPU pulls only 110W. (measured). There is another 54W used between the RAM, VRM, and other components. Not all of those consumption contribute to TDP - but they DO contribute to TBP.

RX 480's TDP is 150W. TBP is higher - likely 170W.

RX 480's VRM is nearly 90% efficient, wasting only 2.2W per phase - 18.3W to the GPU per phase, 2.2W as (mostly) waste heat. The six GPU phases use 13.2W. This is not added to TDP.
The memory single-phase VRM probably uses another 2W. So about 15.2W consumed but not included with the TDP. The 3.3V rail is seeing a 4W load - so ~19.2W consumption not typically included in TDP.

We are seeing board consumption figures of 164W or so. 164 - 19.2 = 144.8W.

So RX 480's 150W TDP is completely accurate - with some margin to spare for variations - when not including the VRM AMD runs their GPU voltages a little too high...

R9 Nano has a TDP of 175W, but pulls about 190W... with peaks over 300W. No one complained.
Edited by looncraz - 7/9/16 at 10:00am
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TBP never heard of it before, stands for?
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TBP never heard of it before, stands for?

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I see, looking on the internet i could find nothing that has TBP as acronym and is related to power consuption
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I see, looking on the internet i could find nothing that has TBP as acronym and is related to power consuption

It is synonymous with TDP. Only Anandtech seems to use the term.
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