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Originally Posted by B NEGATIVE View Post

Ok...if you want. From the OCN PSU pinout repository Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


http://www.overclock.net/t/1420796/repository-of-power-supply-pin-outs/260_20


Either/or it has to conform to ATX spec which doesnt have a sense wire.

I was not disagreeing with you on the +3 -3. I admit, that I might have looked at out of spec 6 pin regarding the +3 -2 and sense (but will look at it a bit later)
Edit:
Damn, I messed up! Should never post when doing work, as it turns out to be a big mess! The 6 pin is 3+ and 3-, as the card senses what is plugged in there.

Edit:
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Originally Posted by looniam View Post

i guess pci-sig was looking to be compensated by charging $2,000 for non memebers to get a copy. ($50 for a member).

and that lead to a lot of popular wisdom with people assuming 75 watts was the absolute limit so therefore 75w/12v=6.25a TOTAL

btw, i know you looked at the 225/300 doc because (if you're fearless enough to look) the 150 doc specs pins @8amps.

go figure.

E:
i have thrown this around a lot lately:



sense pins ARE grounds. thumb.gif
Yes
Edited by C2H5OH - 7/4/16 at 8:29am
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sense pins ARE grounds. thumb.gif
Yes, in the PSU. On the actual graphics card, the middle ground pin in a 6-pin is supposed to be a sense pin. Not wired to the cards ground plane. Take a ohm-meter to your graphics card and measure between the middle ground and one of the outer - if it is made to spec there will be a pretty large resistance there. Should not be shorted as on the RX 480.

I have checked my 290X and my 290, both have a very healthy resistance between the middle pin and the ground plane. So the card will know if a 6-pin is plugged in or not.
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sense pins ARE grounds. thumb.gif
Yes, in the PSU. On the actual graphics card, the middle ground pin in a 6-pin is supposed to be a sense pin. Not wired to the cards ground plane. Take a ohm-meter to your graphics card and measure between the middle ground and one of the outer - if it is made to spec there will be a pretty large resistance there. Should not be shorted as on the RX 480.

I have checked my 290X and my 290, both have a very healthy resistance between the middle pin and the ground plane. So the card will know if a 6-pin is plugged in or not.

i have had this chat:

there is NO SPEC that it cannot be grounded on the card.

also even though the ground plane is connected to both pci-e slot and the 6 pin; that card will not power up drawing all its power from the x16 slot making that a NON ISSUE.

E:
it will know there is no 6 pin when half the vrms are not working. wink.gif
Edited by looniam - 7/4/16 at 7:40am
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Some interesting testing by @Buildzoid on the RX 480 ....

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Load temps of 80-90C has been the target and designed operating temp of reference videocards for something like 10yrs now.. It's normal. Nvidia targets 83C, the RX480 targets 80C and a fan speed of 2200rpm. Both the reference R9 290 series and the GTX 480 / 470 would hit 90C+ under load.


I know I'm still new to the game, but that's just way too hot for my liking. I mean my room's already hot enough as it is haha. But my 6950 doesn't like going much above 75
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Powered risers (directly supply power from the PSU and not the PCIe) are used by miners, as they are mining 24/7 and using passive riser is a disaster waiting to happen - mobos degrade faster.

For normal use, you don't need powered riser and if overclocking is your thing, just wait for custom boards. There is no need to over-complicate things.

P.S. That said, the guy that blew his Mobo was using 3xRX 480 and before that 3 x R9 280x (for 3 years 24/7) with passive risers, so it's absolutely his fault! Don't need to worry about him.

Edit, BTW have in mind that regular PSUs are also not designed to work 24/7!

So I SHOULDN'T leave my PC on all the time? oops. I never shut it down unless I'm going away for a few days or theres a thunderstorm.
    
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I know I'm still new to the game, but that's just way too hot for my liking. I mean my room's already hot enough as it is haha. But my 6950 doesn't like going much above 75
So I SHOULDN'T leave my PC on all the time? oops. I never shut it down unless I'm going away for a few days or theres a thunderstorm.
A higher temperature GPU won't make your room any hotter than the same power GPU at a lower temp. Less, hotter air vs. more, less-hot air. It works out to same. I stopped worrying about temps once I got a decent performing laptop with a decent GPU. That thing regularly runs up to 90*C, and has been doing so for 5 years without issue.
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Testing each card seperately., Intergrated Sound on rampage IV doesn't work. Ports don't exist anymore apparently. Sound does play from each card though to my dell monitor. Looks like MB is sound cardless now. Submitting XFX ticket

(And yes, The extra 6 Pin is plugged into the MB for power)

probably out of luck. You will have a hard time convincing them its the GPUs that caused it. Could be your power supply screwed up with that 6 pin, or the motherboard failed when it was stressed in a way it wasn't before.

for one thing, if the system is starved for power because of the extra cards, a component shouldn't die because of it
for another, if the system was not starved and the 6 pin was augmenting the pci-e power, they can say the component should not die as long as the motherboard is regulating everything correctly.

The GPUs have no avenue to damage the motherboard like that unless there is an issue with the mobo or PSU. Your $400 motherboard should not fail because it is allowing a certain amount of power through - at least you can't blame the component its giving the power to.

If a connector got burnt on the PCI-e or 24 pin then maybe , but the 24 pin one is again down to PSU and motherboard.

If you had warranty on the mobo I would go that route.
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probably out of luck. You will have a hard time convincing them its the GPUs that caused it. Could be your power supply screwed up with that 6 pin, or the motherboard failed when it was stressed in a way it wasn't before.

for one thing, if the system is starved for power because of the extra cards, a component shouldn't die because of it
for another, if the system was not starved and the 6 pin was augmenting the pci-e power, they can say the component should not die as long as the motherboard is regulating everything correctly.

The GPUs have no avenue to damage the motherboard like that unless there is an issue with the mobo or PSU. Your $400 motherboard should not fail because it is allowing a certain amount of power through - at least you can't blame the component its giving the power to.

If a connector got burnt on the PCI-e or 24 pin then maybe , but the 24 pin one is again down to PSU and motherboard.

If you had warranty on the mobo I would go that route.

Ah no the 24 pin can be burnt by the GPU or multi gpu's and or multi monitors. I've read more about it with multi monitors than anything. Yes the PSU can melt the 24 pin, its very, very rare.

In most cases when the psu over-currents, it pops the capacitors in the mobo. Or burns the chokes on the motherboard. This started happening with fermi. If its the same pins as below. No doubt the gpu, and or monitor.
http://www.overclock.net/t/770988/e760-classified-mobo-sli-gtx-480s-melted-24-pin-connectors
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Ah no the 24 pin can be burnt by the GPU or multi gpu's and or multi monitors. I've read more about it with multi monitors than anything. Yes the PSU can melt the 24 pin, its very, very rare.

In most cases when the psu over-currents, it pops the capacitors in the mobo. Or burns the chokes on the motherboard. This started happening with fermi. If its the same pins as below. No doubt the gpu, and or monitor.
http://www.overclock.net/t/770988/e760-classified-mobo-sli-gtx-480s-melted-24-pin-connectors


pfffffffft!

yours can

take a look at this
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yeah.

my 24 pin and 8 pins is speshul
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yeah.

my 24 pin and 8 pins is speshul

 

 

What is this sorcery.

     
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