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Originally Posted by Exeed Orbit View Post

So was the 960 compared to the 980. Yet it performed at around 60% of the 980. (Depending on the game, and its appetite for memory bandwidth)
eh, it performs 50% mostly. and also has a bit worse scaling and p/w.
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At the end of the day how much does the cooling design factor into the price? You can get heatpipe cpu coolers like the 212 hyper evo for $30 retail. So I highly suspect that any non-aio cooling solutions are pretty insignificant cost wise.
theres obviously gonna be a difference, like these three for example.


GTX950 Windforce cooler



GTX960 Windforce cooler



GTX980 Windforce cooler



the difference between the 980's and 960's isn't just a mere extra heatpipe, 980's fin is much denser and deeper, and theres a large chunk of copper baseplate.
this won't be just a few $ of difference, i wouldn't be surprised if their CPU HSF equivalent is like an NH-U12S vs NH-D15, or roughly $25 price difference.
Edited by epic1337 - 7/1/16 at 10:17am
post #153 of 735
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Originally Posted by Diogenes5 View Post

Nvidia has like 80% marketshare so they can overcharge and people will pay it because of all the fanboys. Just look at all forums. The vast majority of the fanboys are all Nvidia guys.

The rx 480 performs at about the level of a 390 atm. The gtx 1070 is about 53% faster at 2k resolutions. The 1060 looks to be about 15% faster than a 480 or 5% faster than a 390x. So a 1070 is about 33% faster than a 1060. They want people to buy a 1070 because that's probably where there revenue are the highest. The 1070 is the top of the perf/$ curve for Nvidia. Just like with the 970 and 960, the 960 was cheaper but the 970 was much better in terms of perf/$.

This puts a floor on the price of a 1060. They have to price the 6gb 1060 above $285 to keep the $/perf of the 1070 superior (at the current MSRP of $379 which IMO is fake since you can't find it anywhere at that price but that's another story). IMO, that means the 1060 will probably be $249/$299 maybe even something like $279/329. The lower end version will be gimped at resolutions above 1080p because of the 3gb of ram (but have better perf/$ than the 1070). The 1070 will be superior to the higher-end card in terms of perf/$. The 1060 will also be somewhat supply limited as Nvidia wants to keep its margins high and clear out its stock of old cards.

So Nvidia will offer an option that will be still be beaten by the 480 in terms of perf/$ but still an option for people in that price range which will sell well because of brand recognition alone. Since many people only consider Nvidia cards, this will give people in the 970/980 market right now a reason to upgrade since the perf/$ will be superior to existing 970/980 prices. I'm calling it from my armchair of wisdom guys, watch out!

If they do that (at 15% above RX 480) they will likely lose the mainstream market. Or perhaps they'll pull the same thing. FE at $329, AIB at $279 or something similar. That would keep the Price/Performance similar to the RX 480. (Assuming 15% increase in price compared to $239)
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a TI is still a possibility, given the gap between 1060 and 1070

Well, I'm assuming this is full GP106. Cutting down GP104 even more seems strange to me.
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First they damaged amd with x80 part (GTX680) then with x70 part (GTX970), and now its time for final nail in the coffin with biggest market (x60 part). it's safe to say this year will be the end of RTG. hope intel or samsung buys them, they really need huge R&D budget to beat nvidia.
post #156 of 735
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Originally Posted by davidelite10 View Post

Nvidia used wood screws on high end GPUs at one point and time.

This must have been before your time though

Wow, talk about being wrong.

At the Fermi launch at GTC, there was exactly one mock-up GPU that came direct from NVIDIAs labs (instead of an assembly factory)... As such it was just meant for the photo of the CEO holding it up, so they didn't particularly care what screws they used, so someone sloppily used woodscrews. They used the mock-up because the cards were in the process of production. The board had also been modified to fit the final cooler.

That *one* board used woodscrews, and the press (if you can even call Charlie Demerjian that) made a big deal out of it on his tabloid site that was so eager to slam NVIDIA.

However all the demos shown at the event were really running on Fermi GPUs but those boards just weren't pretty because they didn't have the final coolers on them yet.
Edited by Seven7h - 7/1/16 at 10:28am
post #157 of 735
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theres obviously gonna be a difference, like these three for example.


GTX950 Windforce cooler



GTX960 Windforce cooler



GTX980 Windforce cooler



the difference between the 980's and 960's isn't just a mere extra heatpipe, 980's fin is much denser and deeper, and theres a large chunk of copper baseplate.
this won't be just a few $ of difference, i wouldn't be surprised if their CPU HSF equivalent is like an NH-U12S vs NH-D15, or roughly $25 price difference.

My point is I suspect even with those differences the cost difference to the mfg is measured in single digit dollars.
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Wow, talk about being wrong.

At the Fermi launch at GTC, there was exactly one GPU that came direct from NVIDIAs labs (instead of an assembly factory)... As such it was one that had been assembled by hand and likely frequently got disassembled in that lab, so they didn't particularly care what screws they used. That just so happened to be the one card used to show the GPU off on stage at the launch, because the cards were in the process of production.

That *one* board used woodscrews, and the press (if you can even call Charlie Demerjian that) made a big deal out of it on his tabloid site that was so eager to slam NVIDIA.

Source: I was there.

Just... no. The card had been sawed off so the reference cooler would fit on it. I remember that day well.
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First they damaged amd with x80 part (GTX680) then with x70 part (GTX970), and now its time for final nail in the coffin with biggest market (x60 part). it's safe to say this year will be the end of RTG. hope intel or samsung buys them, they really need huge R&D budget to beat nvidia.

Actually Nvidia did the worst damage to AMD during Maxwell generation with GTX 750 Ti, GTX 750, GTX 950, GTX 960 and GTX 970. AMD lost more than half their GPU revenue in a few quarters and that cannot happen from a single GPU. Nvidia thrashed AMD badly pretty much across the stack. But it was the high volume segments where AMD lost the bulk of their revenue.
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My point is I suspect even with those differences the cost difference to the mfg is measured in single digit dollars.
i don't think its that simple, otherwise they'd be reusing their high-end coolers for their mid-end cards more often, instead of making a weaker version of it.

if it were truly just a few dollars of difference, they could just reuse their high-end cooler and strip off parts during production to make it slightly cheaper.
but it doesn't seem to be the case, they've made an entirely different design instead, and obviously used a lot less aluminum and copper.
Edited by epic1337 - 7/1/16 at 10:31am
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