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http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_radeon_r9_rx_480_8gb_review,26.html 480

FS = 12195 (graphics), 1060 is 8%+ faster
FSU = 2682 (graphics), 1060 is 9% faster
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My predictions have been accurate so far on Polaris.

It's partners word on the matter and I suspect partners don't want you to buy reference cards but instead want you to buy their versions and derivatives of the rx 480. The margins are better for them.

Cards did get a frequency boost. The stock clocks of cards like tonga were 1000mhz and these usually overclocked to 1150mhz or so with a none reference cooler.Having cards now clock at 1266 and overclock to 1400 is a boost over last gen. You might want to dub it the tajoh GCN clockspeed penalty but the GCN penalty is very real as seen from GCN to GCN4 nowadays. On 28nm, GCN's clocks got worse even those the process that each GPU was made on was an more advanced and higher clocking node then the previous version of GCN. Add in Nvidia was using the same technology and process and continued to improve clocks, and it adds more evidence to my hypothesis.

It isn't just the process that determines frequency, it's the architecture as well.

1450mhz FIJI when running on ln2 should have been a redflag about the frequency potential of GCN as well as the frequencies maxwell was reaching under ln2. It real evidence as is the current clocks and overclocks of Polaris.

This guy is ranked number 4 on hwbot so he knows what he's talking about. This card was hard modded and overvolted to levels beyond safe for air cooling and even 24/7 water cooling. Aib partner cards should get really any better considering they are not going to go as balls out as this guy did.

In reviews, using the stock cooler, overclocks vary only 50mhz between the best and worst which is about 4% which means binning won't play a crazy difference. The sooner we can squash the 1.6ghz rumors, the less hype that is built up, which is better at this point.

Could it have anything to do with transistor density? It got progressively worse from Tahiti (12.25 million/mm²) to Hawaii (14.16 million/mm²) to Fiji (14.93 million/mm²). Although Tonga at 13.93 million/mm² was just a smidge below Hawaii in terms of OC headroom so I guess it's there.
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Argh, so sick of rumors every where. Just wish we had some official tests for the 1060 too. Not like I need to replace my oc'ed 290x for 4k with either this or a rx-480 but the midrange is a fairly good indication of what is coming on the high end performance wise.

If AIB 1060's are both decently faster and use considerably less power than a rx-480 then AMD is seriously in a much worse spot financially.
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Argh, so sick of rumors every where. Just wish we had some official tests for the 1060 too. Not like I need to replace my oc'ed 290x for 4k with either this or a rx-480 but the midrange is a fairly good indication of what is coming on the high end performance wise.

If AIB 1060's are both decently faster and use considerably less power than a rx-480 then AMD is seriously in a much worse spot financially.


Not really. We know nvidia will tray to pull $300 out of this card
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Not really. We know nvidia will tray to pull $300 out of this card

Yea but unfortunately people will justify the higher price. Like I've said before Nvidia might as well be called Apple as far as gpu's are concerned.
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Yea but unfortunately people will justify the higher price. Like I've said before Nvidia might as well be called Apple as far as gpu's are concerned.

Good point. It all comes down to AIB prices for the 480. If they can hover around $250 or below they will still sell well IMO.

And that sapphire nitro is too damn sexy to pass up tongue.gif
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If that leak is real, then the 1060 on a Nvidia favored bench is only 8% faster than a "atrocious" reference 480? And it will probably have most of it's OC headroom used up by boost 3.0, so it shouldn't have nearly the same potential as the AIB 480's.

But i guess this 3GB card will be hailed as a resounding success, even when it ends up costing $250+.. Remember guys, it needs to handily beat the 980 to be a success. thumb.gif
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Like I've said before Nvidia might as well be called Apple as far as gpu's are concerned.

For some reason your statement broght this to mind:

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Could it have anything to do with transistor density? It got progressively worse from Tahiti (12.25 million/mm²) to Hawaii (14.16 million/mm²) to Fiji (14.93 million/mm²). Although Tonga at 13.93 million/mm² was just a smidge below Hawaii in terms of OC headroom so I guess it's there.

Tonga having worse overclocking headroom than hawaii and having the same overclocking headroom as fiji is a counter argument for this. Tonga being a bad overclocker even with it's moderate transistor density show's that its architecturally related. Considering it was made on a more advanced node, there should have been clock jumps. This is part of the reason why maxwell got a frequency boost. The fact that it got worse just shows the impact of these additions on the GCN architecture.

Also once heat is out of the way, the gtx 980 and gtx titan x are capable of reaching nearly the same clocks even those the later has a higher transistor density.
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My predictions have been accurate so far on Polaris.

It's partners word on the matter and I suspect partners don't want you to buy reference cards but instead want you to buy their versions and derivatives of the rx 480. The margins are better for them.

Cards did get a frequency boost. The stock clocks of cards like tonga were 1000mhz and these usually overclocked to 1150mhz or so with a none reference cooler.Having cards now clock at 1266 and overclock to 1400 is a boost over last gen. You might want to dub it the tajoh GCN clockspeed penalty but the GCN penalty is very real as seen from GCN to GCN4 nowadays. On 28nm, GCN's clocks got worse even those the process that each GPU was made on was an more advanced and higher clocking node then the previous version of GCN. Add in Nvidia was using the same technology and process and continued to improve clocks, and it adds more evidence to my hypothesis.

It isn't just the process that determines frequency, it's the architecture as well.

1450mhz FIJI when running on ln2 should have been a redflag about the frequency potential of GCN as well as the frequencies maxwell was reaching under ln2. It real evidence as is the current clocks and overclocks of Polaris.

This guy is ranked number 4 on hwbot so he knows what he's talking about. This card was hard modded and overvolted to levels beyond safe for air cooling and even 24/7 water cooling. Aib partner cards should get really any better considering they are not going to go as balls out as this guy did.

In reviews, using the stock cooler, overclocks vary only 50mhz between the best and worst which is about 4% which means binning won't play a crazy difference. The sooner we can squash the 1.6ghz rumors, the less hype that is built up, which is better at this point.
Rumors, are what lead to the trainwreck of hype that was the rx 480. Actual evidence was already present on how polaris was going to perform but fanboys believing the most optimistic rumors were true vastly raised polaris' expectations.

The highest overclocked rx480 in reviews was the one in Guru3d and this was 1375mhz. The worst clocked ones were 1325mhz. This is only a 4 percent difference. What this means is the silicon lottery isn't going to be playing a big role.

What Dauer said was he expect most samples to overclock to 1400mhz for AIB which is safe. What he expect from better samples is 1450mhz for safe clocks. This agrees with the 4% variance as above.

One of the german reviews their ref sample did 1420mhz . It was the highest i have seen. So their might be the odd Golden AIB card that does 1500mhz yet. Still i think its golden card at 1500 rather than 1600.
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