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\$299 MSRP is not above \$280? We must be in the twilight zone.
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Originally Posted by tajoh111

If the cards had the same performance and same electricity consumption. Efficiency is 1.

E.g 120 watts divided by 120 watts divided by the equal performance would act as a modifier of 1.

However if one card uses 30 less wants. That means one card is 25 percent more efficient.

Even. 150 divided by 120.

1.25 I.e 25 percent more efficient. However of this card also performs 15 percent better while consuming 25 percent better it acts as a modifier.

I.e 1.15. IF IT performed the same this modifier would be 1 but since it's performs 15 percent better, this becomes 1.15.

There for to get the efficiency you have to multiply both numbers.

1.25 * 1.15 = efficiency.

1) No. If the the max amount of usage is 150 watts that is our constant max. The 1060 is 20% more efficient. Dividing 150 by 120 does NOT give you the percentage!! Everyone is making the same mistake

I and the calculator cant make this anymore simple -> http://www.geteasysolution.com/120-is-what-percent-of-150

1A) Finding 15% of something doesnt happen with 1.15 and especially cant be done with an arbitrary multiplier of 1. No wonder why this whole thing is so messed up.

1B) So we are saying "IF" it performed the same we would add this modifier of "1". Yet they dont perform the same, nor do they use the same amount of power in these tests. So this modifier of "1" is being added A) without having defined parameters and B) is admittedly being used incorrectly. Because that is being added in "IF" they perform the same. They dont. SO why is it being used?

2) Secondly, you have to have a stable, constant, and sensible way to equate power-consumption to speed/performance. We dont have that. Not even close. Heres a perfect example. A Lotus Elise consumes less power than a Shelby Mustang. Which one is faster? Power consumption is a totally different factor with no real way to equate it to the performance. None of the tests done make any sense at all.

Btw, since posting this yesterday I showed it to an electrical engineer/avionics guy from Sikorsky Aircraft. He's familiar with gaming computers. Took one look at the graph and said "Thats totally wrong".
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Originally Posted by EightDee8D

Probably w3.

w3= Witcher 3?

GTX 780 Ti would be around 280X performance
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Originally Posted by poii

GTX 780 Ti would be around 280X performance

0/10 meme
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Originally Posted by VeritronX

Just seen this from PCPer:

They got a card early, probably the first with a video out.

Must be a reward for bringing the AMD PCIE problem to light
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Originally Posted by DMatthewStewart

1) No. If the the max amount of usage is 150 watts that is our constant max. The 1060 is 20% more efficient. Dividing 150 by 120 does NOT give you the percentage!! Everyone is making the same mistake

I and the calculator cant make this anymore simple -> http://www.geteasysolution.com/120-is-what-percent-of-150

1A) Finding 15% of something doesnt happen with 1.15 and especially cant be done with an arbitrary multiplier of 1. No wonder why this whole thing is so messed up.

1B) So we are saying "IF" it performed the same we would add this modifier of "1". Yet they dont perform the same, nor do they use the same amount of power in these tests. So this modifier of "1" is being added A) without having defined parameters and B) is admittedly being used incorrectly. Because that is being added in "IF" they perform the same. They dont. SO why is it being used?

2) Secondly, you have to have a stable, constant, and sensible way to equate power-consumption to speed/performance. We dont have that. Not even close. Heres a perfect example. A Lotus Elise consumes less power than a Shelby Mustang. Which one is faster? Power consumption i
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s a totally different factor with no real way to equate it to the performance. None of the tests done make any sense at all.

Btw, since posting this yesterday I showed it to an electrical engineer/avionics guy from Sikorsky Aircraft. He's familiar with gaming computers. Took one look at the graph and said "Thats totally wrong".

No it depends on how your phrasing it.

Your phrasing it on what percentage of 120 is 150 a portion of. This is 80 percent. 100-80 = 20%.

However if you phrase it differently, e.g how much larger is 150 than 120. You get 25%

i.e the rx480 uses 25 percent more power than a gtx 1060 i.e 1.25x 120 = 150watts

or the 1060 uses 20% less power than a rx480. (100-20)* 150 = 120 watts

2. Your second example is flawed. Your adding multiple variables which screw up that example. Not hard metric numbers which is all we need for performance per watt. All we need for performance per watt is performance and power consumption.

It more equivalent example with cars is how much better is the power to rate ratio of the lotus compared to the mustang, which is much more similar to performance per watt.

performance = HP in this case. So lets says the lotus has 200hp while the mustang has 300hp. The weight of the lotus is 1800pounds and the mustang is 3500 pounds(this is equivalent to our power consumption).

The lotus elise hp to pounds ratio is 0.11111Hp/pound or 200hp/1800pounds while the mustangs is 0.085714 hp/pound or 300hp/3500pounds

How much higher is the power to weight ratio of the elise vs the mustang. This is done by dividing the two numbers.

0.111111/0.085714. It is 30 percent higher.

So how much higher is the performance per watt of the gtx 1060 vs the rx 480?

If the gtx 1060 has 115% of the performance of the rx 480 we basically have all the information we need if we have the power to determine both the performance per watt and how much better one is compared to the other.

115performance/120 watt = 0.95833333 performance/watt for 1060

100performance/150watts = 0.66666666 performance/watt for rx480

0.95833333/0.66666666= 1.43750000 or 43.75 percent higher performance per watt.

The performance metric is arbitrary e.g we could switch this to FPS and as long as it's 15% larger we get the same ratio difference.

345 fps / 120 watts = 2.875

300 fps / 150 watts = 2.000

2.875 / 2.000 = 1.43750000
Edited by tajoh111 - 7/7/16 at 2:10pm
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Originally Posted by DMatthewStewart

Dividing 150 by 120 does NOT give you the percentage!!

Yes it does. It shows that 150 is 25% more than 120.
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Originally Posted by DMatthewStewart

1A) Finding 15% of something doesnt happen with 1.15 and especially cant be done with an arbitrary multiplier of 1.

There is no arbitrary multiplier. The RX 480 is the baseline. Everything the RX 480 is = 1 in a graph like this. This is a very common way to compare things.

If the RX 480 is 1 and the 1060 is 1.15 on the performance bar of the graph, that means NVIDIA is saying the 1060 is 15% faster.

If the RX 480 is 1 and the 1060 is ~1.44 on the efficiency portion of the graph, and we know that efficiency is the difference in work done per unit of power, then dividing ~1.44 by 1.15 gives us ~1.25, which is quite clearly derived from the differences in TDP mentioned.
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Originally Posted by DMatthewStewart

1B) So we are saying "IF" it performed the same we would add this modifier of "1". Yet they dont perform the same, nor do they use the same amount of power in these tests. So this modifier of "1" is being added A) without having defined parameters and B) is admittedly being used incorrectly. Because that is being added in "IF" they perform the same. They dont. SO why is it being used?

I have no idea where you are getting this "modifier of 1" stuff.
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Originally Posted by DMatthewStewart

2) Secondly, you have to have a stable, constant, and sensible way to equate power-consumption to speed/performance. We dont have that. Not even close. Heres a perfect example. A Lotus Elise consumes less power than a Shelby Mustang. Which one is faster? Power consumption is a totally different factor with no real way to equate it to the performance. None of the tests done make any sense at all.

You are making things needlessly complex. The graph and the TDP figure mentioned contain more than enough information to plug in any variable needed to account for anything mentioned.
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Originally Posted by DMatthewStewart

Btw, since posting this yesterday I showed it to an electrical engineer/avionics guy from Sikorsky Aircraft. He's familiar with gaming computers. Took one look at the graph and said "Thats totally wrong".

There is nothing wrong with the graph and it only takes 3rd grade math to verify this.

NVIDIA is saying the 1060 will use 25% less power and be 15% faster. This is where that efficiency (work done for a give unit of energy) figure is coming from.
Edited by Blameless - 7/7/16 at 3:08pm
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Whats a better buy waiting for the 1060 or grabbing a used EVGA SSC 970 for 200? It has 1.5 years of warranty left on it.

Buy an open box RX 480 4GB for cheap after people return all the ones they cannot unlock to 8GB.
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