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Dude you are so clueless it's funny. Everyone I have shown my Vive to are amazed. Casual gamers, non-gamers, even elderly people. Why? Because you don't press a button to hit something, you just reach out and hit it. It's so natural to real life that the brain just believes. Now that technology has advanced enough VR is here to stay, look at the sales #s, they are off the chart for such an expensive setup. VR will continue to advance until we get the Holodeck that will be indistinguishable from real life. You can sit on the sidelines watching fattys, or you can jump in and at least test what the tech has to offer. Ignorance is bliss.

I agree with this also the numbers don't lie. I think the mainstream is starting to gain traction and will continue to rise as much as 4K tv's have and we barely have 4K content today! This can only get better as soon as we have more solid VR applications and price of entry is becoming more cost effective. Everybody I've shown and demo my setup with are not only intrigued but are piecing pc's together exclusively for VR it's nuts!
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Oh those sales numbers are massive. Absolutely insane!!!!! http://www.roadtovr.com/htc-vive-sales-figures-data-100000-steamspy-data/

And yeah I used that brand as that suppose to be the go to for VR experience. I also read just a few weeks ago. VR is doing so poorly. It was highly questionable 500k units have been sold Rift and Vive combined.
The complete set for a Vive with PC on average is $2000 and can go up to $4,000. So for that amount of cash with a newly released tech, yes those numbers are very impressive. It's going to be a while before VR reaches mainstream. HMDs need to get smaller, wireless, less expensive, and self containing to get to those levels.
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This is a little OT, but I also find it odd that so many people on this site say VR is overpriced. We have people that spend $4,000 on quad Titan Xs and no one bats an eye. $900 4K Gsync monitor? No problem. $600 VR headset? Whoa, that's totally overpriced.
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post #74 of 119
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I highlighted the problem. While the Oculus is great also. The Vive is really next level VR that incorporates your hands and body in VR. It really is a game changer.

People were literally saying the same thing with 3D vision in games. Look where that ended up...

In the end I don't think it's all that big of a difference. If I don't think the headset experience is impressive, adding a couple of sticks on my hand certainly isn't going to help. There's nothing immersive to me about wearing bulky goggles or using weirdly shaped controllers (or headphones for that matter). If anything, it's less immersive than just playing a game traditionally.

To me, it's all gimmick. It's something that me and a bunch of other people look at and think "oh, that will get old fast". If it wasn't so expensive, it would have a much better chance with casual users who hop on gimmicks like this. Until then it will be something at most 1/50 gamers will care enough to buy into, and that's hardly enough market to sustain an ecosystem of innovative, exciting games.
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People were literally saying the same thing with 3D vision in games. Look where that ended up...

In the end I don't think it's all that big of a difference. If I don't think the headset experience is impressive, adding a couple of sticks on my hand certainly isn't going to help. There's nothing immersive to me about wearing bulky goggles or using weirdly shaped controllers (or headphones for that matter). If anything, it's less immersive than just playing a game traditionally.

To me, it's all gimmick. It's something that me and a bunch of other people look at and think "oh, that will get old fast". If it wasn't so expensive, it would have a much better chance with casual users who hop on gimmicks like this. Until then it will be something at most 1/50 gamers will care enough to buy into, and that's hardly enough market to sustain an ecosystem of innovative, exciting games.
That's most people's impression "until" they try the Vive. thumb.gif
Edited by Swolern - 7/13/16 at 2:54pm
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post #76 of 119
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That's most people impression "until" they try the Vive. thumb.gif

oh if it were only that.

this guy has a case of " I have already decided" or my "juices have dried up syndrom" for real dude that Swolern is quoting (t1337dude I mean you)


Lets assume you are not a troll... you might even really never like VR, especially if you are stubborn enough. Heck some crazies think man made medicine is to be avoided. It is simple you will either get on board at some point or be folded into retiredclock.boring cause the world IS going into a mixed reality space. You may choose to live ALMOST exclusively in this current balance but many will go deep and I would venture to project that it will have FAR more penatration than smart phones, that means you will not likely avoid it. Maybe this first gen VR implementation, but come on think 10 or 20 years down , remember where you are and be inspired to be at least as forward thinking as my OLD and tech NOT inclined mother.


Not meant as a direct insult, but FOR real haters and trolls go to the GPU section where it is fun, this is some BAD ASS COOL FUTURE IS NOW kina BLEED HHAHAHAHA:D
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That's most people's impression "until" they try the Vive. thumb.gif

You just can't explain it, the problem with this kind of revolutionary VR is that IT has to be tried to really show why it's paradigm-shifting, there's just no real comparison to it, no previous experience to roomscale VR at all.

Thus, the naysayers will say oh its like 3d movies and all sort of BS, it's not even remotely in the same league, at all, it's not even 3D at all, it's something else entirely. the tech is Alien, to put it that way.
     
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It's more than likely the shipping times are the biggest reason for this. Given the cost of a VR rig plus a rift/vive, this is still a hardcore enthusiasts market and enthusiasts aren't known for their patience.

Additionally, I would wager that most people who prefer one over the other haven't experienced both...

There is a lot more than just the shipping times against Occulus. For example the Facebook EULA they use all the way their "locked ecosystem" approach they are trying to pull off.
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The complete set for a Vive with PC on average is $2000 and can go up to $4,000. So for that amount of cash with a newly released tech, yes those numbers are very impressive. It's going to be a while before VR reaches mainstream. HMDs need to get smaller, wireless, less expensive, and self containing to get to those levels.

It's for most people who are really interested in this only about one grand investment as even a nvidia 970 or AMD 390 can pull off VR experience at good enough level and it's the enthusiast segment with this generation meaning the guy already running eyefinity/surround or 4K displays for better immersion. For that kind of immersion for most of these people one grand is quite reasonable price. That crowd is also normally better informed than your average Joe walking into best buy and trying out this interesting new gadget because a tech pulled him over and offered a demo. It's about the same price as a good 4K display and offer better immersion than any "normal" display can offer (as far as I understand, it's beyond my disposable income level for time being).
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This is a little OT, but I also find it odd that so many people on this site say VR is overpriced. We have people that spend $4,000 on quad Titan Xs and no one bats an eye. $900 4K Gsync monitor? No problem. $600 VR headset? Whoa, that's totally overpriced.

For what they're offering, it's overpriced.

I was sort of expecting 2560x1440 resolution on CV1, but the 90hz refresh rate limit almost sounds insulting given how important latency is to the experience and how fast we're driving monitors of the same resolution right now.
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