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Can't the GCHQ make your car crash if they want it to?
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Can't the GCHQ make your car crash if they want it to?
I can see future assasinations happening this way.

Put on your tinfoil hats! king.gif
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Accidents and other damage would still happen. Like wildlife. My dads truck was hit three seperate times by deer, in the side. No automated system will stop a deer from slamming into the side of your car. Or if one runs in front you can still hit it. Usually when they get hit its because they ran out at the last second. The car can not physically stop that quick. Plus weather tears up cars. Bad storms, rock slides, and so on. Lack of accidents would actually mean more money in the insurance companies pockets. No reason to get out. And since we are forced to have it by law, it is very unlikely to change for a very long time.

Yeah, but in the grand scheme unavoidable accidents are that tiny 1% that won't be eliminated. Wildlife accidents... some might be unavoidable, but I think most will be eliminated by autonomous cars. The sensors they have and will have in the future are just beyond what human vision and awareness and reaction times are capable of. I hit a deer a couple years ago, I just didn't see it in time when it popped up out of the ditch. I still had enough time to slow my vehicle and since I have a moose bumper on my truck there wasn't any damage. An autonomous system would have probably seen that deer in time or reacted fast enough to avoid it entirely where I didn't.

So hence 90-99% reduction. Think 10$ yearly insurance instead of a thousand dollars. And when we reach that point I think we'll have stuff like lifetime insurance that you buy With the car, that is supplied by and backed by the auto maker instead of by an insurance company.
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Yeah, but in the grand scheme unavoidable accidents are that tiny 1% that won't be eliminated. Wildlife accidents... some might be unavoidable, but I think most will be eliminated by autonomous cars. The sensors they have and will have in the future are just beyond what human vision and awareness and reaction times are capable of. I hit a deer a couple years ago, I just didn't see it in time when it popped up out of the ditch. I still had enough time to slow my vehicle and since I have a moose bumper on my truck there wasn't any damage. An autonomous system would have probably seen that deer in time or reacted fast enough to avoid it entirely where I didn't.

So hence 90-99% reduction. Think 10$ yearly insurance instead of a thousand dollars. And when we reach that point I think we'll have stuff like lifetime insurance that you buy With the car, that is supplied by and backed by the auto maker instead of by an insurance company.

I don't know how well I'd trust sensors to spot deer at night if they can't even see a huge truck in broad daylight, which is kinda the reason this thread exists in the first place.
    
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Yeah, but in the grand scheme unavoidable accidents are that tiny 1% that won't be eliminated. Wildlife accidents... some might be unavoidable, but I think most will be eliminated by autonomous cars. The sensors they have and will have in the future are just beyond what human vision and awareness and reaction times are capable of. I hit a deer a couple years ago, I just didn't see it in time when it popped up out of the ditch. I still had enough time to slow my vehicle and since I have a moose bumper on my truck there wasn't any damage. An autonomous system would have probably seen that deer in time or reacted fast enough to avoid it entirely where I didn't.

So hence 90-99% reduction. Think 10$ yearly insurance instead of a thousand dollars. And when we reach that point I think we'll have stuff like lifetime insurance that you buy With the car, that is supplied by and backed by the auto maker instead of by an insurance company.


I know far more people that have had non collision insurance claims than anything else. Get outside of major cities and most auto damage is not from a collision with another car. Most are weather or animal related.

As for insurance going away, there is too much money in it and an opertunity for profits to skyrocket. It will not go away.
 
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As for the insurance - even if the autonomous system is perfect there is still fire, theft, and malicious damage (e.g. broken window to steal wallet / radio) to consider, as well as accidents due to outside events (animals, pedestrians, bad weather, falling trees, etc).

The insurance industry won't go away, although premiums may drop. The industry would actually be very happy if cars were safer; they make money by insuring people who never make claims. Fewer accidents = fewer claims = fewer costs = more profits.
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I don't know how well I'd trust sensors to spot deer at night if they can't even see a huge truck in broad daylight, which is kinda the reason this thread exists in the first place.

Depends what sensors they are using. For example, a dear at night would be easier to see in infrared than a white truck against a white background in daylight.
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Driver of the Tesla is at fault.

Pulled direct from Tesla's press kit "Tesla requires drivers to remain engaged and aware when Autosteer is enabled. Drivers must keep their hands on the steering wheel."
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A deer at night is probably one of the easier things for sensors to see. A combination of radar and thermal imaging should be more then enough to see a deer and react to it far better then human eyes can.

And this sort of thing could be used for assisted systems as well before fully autonomous cars. You might not see the deer (or the child darting into the street), but the driving assist might see it and brake in time to avoid a collision for you. Sorta like the systems that they have now to brake to avoid rearending people for those who follow too close and don't pay enough attention.

Every system can have flaws though. A deer against a background that's exactly the same temperature as the deer is might be a point of failure, sorta the same way this truck wasn't seen properly by the tesla. But even if there are isolated failures of such a system where occasionally a deer isn't seen, the system would still bring benefit in that it would prevent more accidents then unassisted driving alone.
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Another second crash occured,
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120 people died in human-caused car accidents while this article was being written.

Pretty much what I'm thinking.....

120 million autonomously driven miles racked up - 1 fatal incident.

I'll take those odds.

Especially when I am confident that the 2 cars I've totaled would still be up and running had I had the same tech.

That being said, i got to drive my buddy's P90D w/ Ludicrous mode last night. AMAZING ride.
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