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Here is some Tesla literature (in YT form) that sure makes it look like an autopilot. Did not hear one hands off wheel beep. I wonder why people think it is autonomous?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XB2g7-HgE_g

Cause people are lazy or stupid....or even both...I recall back in the 90s on a local radio station they had this bit called "knuckleheads in the news"....it was a similar situation...a salesman was trying to sell a woman a upgraded package that included cruise control(yes i know it is standard now a days)...the salesman stated that with cruise control...the minivan can almost drive itself...so after she bought it...she was driving down the road...her baby started to cry in the back....remembering what the salesman said, she engaged cruise control and went to the back to check on her baby....you can guess the rest....

The original point of this story was this...most people dont wish to think...if they can find some way NOT to do so, no matter how idiotic it seems they will do it...Personally no matter what the telsa dealer would have told me on the driving system, I would have done some MAJOR research into it before buying it, let alone trusting the darn car to drive itself....
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It says the car continued to operate after the accident. I wonder if the newly convertible delivered the headless corpse home....that would be an odd sight for the neighbors to see pulling in the driveway hairysmiley.png
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The flaw here is that the car didn't know it couldn't see the other vehicle, not that it simply failed to react. I guess you could argue that it suffered from the Dunning-Kruger effect. smile.gif

Could you please expand on that first statement.
Edited by essanbee - 7/8/16 at 8:11am
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If everyone is doing this then it's no wonder there's traffic chaos. Perhaps if everyone drove more conservatively there would be a net increase in vehicle throughput.
Not everybody is doing it.
It's just a matter of adjusting your driving to those conditions. I want to change the lane and I can do it only if the other driver that is already on that lane lets me. Can a computer do thins? understand what a person would do by just looking at him?
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The flaw here is that the car didn't know it couldn't see the other vehicle, not that it simply failed to react. I guess you could argue that it suffered from the Dunning-Kruger effect. smile.gif Of course, most drivers do as well. Nevertheless, it is important that true autonomous cars do not lack this "meta perception" or they will be putting people at unnecessary risk, even if that risk is lower than that caused by people's terrible reflexes.

I still think a human would have reacted somehow or anyway wear sun glasses or do something if the sun was too strong.
For example if the Sun is too strong and right in your face you just drive like that?
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Cause people are lazy or stupid....or even both...I recall back in the 90s on a local radio station they had this bit called "knuckleheads in the news"....it was a similar situation...a salesman was trying to sell a woman a upgraded package that included cruise control(yes i know it is standard now a days)...the salesman stated that with cruise control...the minivan can almost drive itself...so after she bought it...she was driving down the road...her baby started to cry in the back....remembering what the salesman said, she engaged cruise control and went to the back to check on her baby....you can guess the rest....

The original point of this story was this...most people dont wish to think...if they can find some way NOT to do so, no matter how idiotic it seems they will do it...Personally no matter what the telsa dealer would have told me on the driving system, I would have done some MAJOR research into it before buying it, let alone trusting the darn car to drive itself....

Would you accept deceptive advertising as a reason? I understand the lazy or stupid argument, but this is Tesla owners we are talking about surely they are not lazy or stupid.
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It says the car continued to operate after the accident. I wonder if the newly convertible delivered the headless corpse home....that would be an odd sight for the neighbors to see pulling in the driveway hairysmiley.png

Depends on the neighborhood.biggrin.gif
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Would you accept deceptive advertising as a reason? I understand the lazy or stupid argument, but this is Tesla owners we are talking about surely they are not lazy or stupid.

ROFL....are you kidding me??!!....Also back in the 90s I was gassing up my car when some very attractive woman came up to me and asked me for help....I walked over to her car and she had a FULLY loaded mustang GT convertible...brand spanking new....I asked her what the issue was...she needed me to help her find WHERE to put the gas....her boyfriend bought it for her and she has no clue how to find it.....I reached into her glove box and handed her the owners manual and told her she should have read it before driving her new car till it was out of fuel....So some rich dude could have been buying the telsa for his dumb bimbo wife/girlfriend....Dont tell me women arent that stupid either, at this EXACT moment my friend and I are laughing our asses off at the real wives of hollywood and how some woman is cleaning a chicken with soap cause "it feels dirty"
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ROFL....are you kidding me??!!....Also back in the 90s I was gassing up my car when some very attractive woman came up to me and asked me for help....I walked over to her car and she had a FULLY loaded mustang GT convertible...brand spanking new....I asked her what the issue was...she needed me to help her find WHERE to put the gas....her boyfriend bought it for her and she has no clue how to find it.....I reached into her glove box and handed her the owners manual and told her she should have read it before driving her new car till it was out of fuel....So some rich dude could have been buying the telsa for his dumb bimbo wife/girlfriend....Dont tell me women arent that stupid either, at this EXACT moment my friend and I are laughing our asses off at the real wives of hollywood and how some woman is cleaning a chicken with soap cause "it feels dirty"

Yeah, the Tesla owner comment was sarcasm. But I still think advertising has a tremendous influence on a lot of people. And we will see how this plays out in court unless Tesla settles.

Surprised she didn't put the gas in the glovebox once you got the manual out of the way.
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In the end if I drive like a computer there are very small chances I will ever have an accident

So... you are saying that autonomous cars are safer? Great!

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I've seen how this autonomous cars drive, slow like an 80 year old man which takes forever to make decisions.

Wait, you think you can make decisions faster than a computer? That's hilarious.

Also, Google specifically tuned their car to drive more cautiously because it was scaring people by darting into gaps that were tight, but it knew it could make.
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And no offence but you don't sound like a good driver.

Really? Because:
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put an autonomous car in Budapest and it will never be able to get from point A to point B faster than me, never.
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And I'm talking about decisions like I'm in a hurry and I have to change a few lanes fast, concentrate at other divers and predict they will let me pass and so on.
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it's very hard to get from one point to another in a reasonable amount of time without forcing the speed limits and forcing other drivers to let you pass etc.

Basically, you sound like an aggressive driver who thinks fast = good. Cross several lanes abruptly? Force people to let you pass? Push speed limits? Taking pride in getting somewhere fast? I'm sorry, but none of that sounds like a good driver.

Also, side note - when you say you have to concentrate on drivers around you, you can look in one direction at a time. The autonomous car looks in all directions all of the time and can track everything around it constantly.

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Here is some Tesla literature (in YT form) that sure makes it look like an autopilot. Did not hear one hands off wheel beep. I wonder why people think it is autonomous?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XB2g7-HgE_g

Maybe you don't hear the beeps because the driver keeps his hands on the wheel?

You specifically see hands on the wheel at 0:38 when he changes lanes. You can just make out the tip of the thumb at 0:24.

The only time you see hands off the wheel are when it is parking, and when it is coming out of the garage. At best you could claim that it is slightly misleading, but the fact that they do show a hand on the wheel during lane change would disagree with that.

Also, every time you activate it you have to agree to the disclaimer:
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Gr5atUo.jpg

Plus, Tesla have said on numerous occasions that it is not a fully fledged autonomous system and that you have to keep hands on the wheel.
Edited by GingerJohn - 7/8/16 at 9:52am
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Feature will probably end up being disabled anyhow, because despite the warnings ultimately how people will use it determines whether Tesla's brand will be tarnished. My bet would be after the second or third death within one year, which would be enough to establish a significant pattern given the small sample size of drivers.
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