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I don't understand how people can be so relaxed when driving that they don't even pay attention. I can't even take my eyes off the road when someone else is driving. Always pressing that invisible brake pedal when my wife drives.
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post #182 of 238
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Originally Posted by Serios View Post

Laugh as much as you like but as more computers will drive on the streets we as going to see more and more accidents.
In the end if I drive like a computer there are very small chances I will ever have an accident but put an autonomous car in Budapest and it will never be able to get from point A to point B faster than me, never.
I've seen how this autonomous cars drive, slow like an 80 year old man which takes forever to make decisions.
And no offence but you don't sound like a good driver.

It may get there slower, but it will get there. Speed is not the sole metric for determining who is a good driver. In fact, in determining who is a safe driver, speed has a negative correlation.

Much offense, but based on your commentary and what you value while driving, you're an awful driver and I hope I never have to avoid your recklessness on the road.
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It may get there slower, but it will get there. Speed is not the sole metric for determining who is a good driver. In fact, in determining who is a safe driver, speed has a negative correlation.

Much offense, but based on your commentary and what you value while driving, you're an awful driver and I hope I never have to avoid your recklessness on the road.

Yup.

The guy already thinks he can "predict" what others are going to do, that tells you all you need to know. His attitude is actually normal though, pretty much every traffic stop went the same.

"It wasn't me, it was the others. I know how to drive, I knew what I was doing. My speeding was totally controlled. I can predict their actions."
    
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Self driving cars are a neat gimmick, something I'd use to show off to my friends and whatnot, but they will have to pry the steering wheel of any of my cars out of my cold, dead hands if they plan to make cars AI-only in the near future. I don't care how much "safer" they claim to be, driving is one of life's great freedoms and I'll never give up my right to pilot my own vehicle. "Optional" self-driving mode would offer the best of both worlds, allowing me to drive when I wanted to while having the option to sit back and relax, text, sleep, etc when I didn't want to drive...
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Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric View Post

Self driving cars are a neat gimmick, something I'd use to show off to my friends and whatnot, but they will have to pry the steering wheel of any of my cars out of my cold, dead hands if they plan to make cars AI-only in the near future. I don't care how much "safer" they claim to be, driving is one of life's great freedoms and I'll never give up my right to pilot my own vehicle. "Optional" self-driving mode would offer the best of both worlds, allowing me to drive when I wanted to while having the option to sit back and relax, text, sleep, etc when I didn't want to drive...

Driving is not a right. I understand the feeling behind the message, I do. Driving just isn't a right.
    
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Yup.

The guy already thinks he can "predict" what others are going to do, that tells you all you need to know. His attitude is actually normal though, pretty much every traffic stop went the same.

"It wasn't me, it was the others. I know how to drive, I knew what I was doing. My speeding was totally controlled. I can predict their actions."
Any human being is infinitely better at predicting human behavior than any ai, thats just a fact, I dont think he means he has a crystal ball or a magic lamp on his back seat and literally knows what people are about to do. Could computers drive, yes no doubt, could they mingle safely on the road with human drivers, recipe for slamming into trucks if you ask me.
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Well considering how many accidents there are I would argue that, at best, humans are infinitesimally better at predicting human behaviour.
    
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Well considering how many accidents there are I would argue that, at best, humans are infinitesimally better at predicting human behaviour.

Do you have any idea how many miles total are driven by humans every single day around the world compared to the number of fatal accidents? I'll give you a hint, it's a tiny fraction of the total miles driven.
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Do you have any idea how many miles total are driven by humans every single day around the world compared to the number of fatal accidents? I'll give you a hint, it's a tiny fraction of the total miles driven.

Who gives a rat's ass what the ratio is, when we are still managing to kill one person about every 15 minutes?
    
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Self driving cars are a neat gimmick, something I'd use to show off to my friends and whatnot, but they will have to pry the steering wheel of any of my cars out of my cold, dead hands if they plan to make cars AI-only in the near future. I don't care how much "safer" they claim to be, driving is one of life's great freedoms and I'll never give up my right to pilot my own vehicle. "Optional" self-driving mode would offer the best of both worlds, allowing me to drive when I wanted to while having the option to sit back and relax, text, sleep, etc when I didn't want to drive...

You don't live near DC - there's nothing glamorous about driving to and from work here around the beltway.

Atlanta ranks right up there there too, I'm sure you've had your fair share of moving along at 2-5mpg for an hour.

I'll take the option for self driving car (or to activate the option) every single Monday-Friday.

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Do you have any idea how many miles total are driven by humans every single day around the world compared to the number of fatal accidents? I'll give you a hint, it's a tiny fraction of the total miles driven.

There's another factor to consider - self driving cars are to a certain degree, a "collective mind". Data/learning is spewed up to Tesla/Google/whoever to analyze and improve etc etc.

So while YOUR Tesla might be driving 300 miles a week to and from work, it's absorbing hundreds of thousands of miles of "lessons learned" or whatever you want to call it from all these other drivers.

Humans don't really have that luxury tongue.gif
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