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Originally Posted by NuclearPeace View Post

This isn't close to the first time that car companies have put out products on the road that were poorly designed, lacking in quality, or both. Ford Pinto anyone?

Ford Pinto met the government guidelines for rear end collision safety of 30 mph. Current (then) safety testing required impact speeds of 30 mph. Rear impact speeds of 35 mph or greater resulted in the infamous fires. It was tested over and over. All the fireball accidents were at higher speeds. Remember the title of Ralph Nader's book (Unsafe at any speed)? Guess where that title came from. It came from the Pinto incidents once it became clear that they met the minimum standards of the time.

The entire Pinto case was ginned up by frustrated lying leftists trying to attack corporate America.

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Edited by essanbee - 7/13/16 at 12:30pm
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It isn't blind faith. I don't trust Tesla's implementation. It is the full AI and not just a specific companies, the concept as a whole and the capabilities are what is looked at. I am not saying everyone is a bad driver all the time, but no human compares to a computer at these simple tasks. The field of vision and its ability to process so much information at once makes it the clear choice.

And that is only the safety premise. The AI has more implications than just safety. I can see us get to the point where you don't even own cars. There are just hubs around the city with cars that you can go on your phone and schedule to have you picked up and dropped off. The emissions savings and just the resources we would save not needing as many cars to be built would be enormous.

Yeah, go ahead and just kill me now if that ever happens. Cars and bikes are my entire life outside of my daughter (well, and PC's)...
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There were 29,989 fatal motor vehicle crashes in the United States in 2014 in which 32,675 deaths occurred. This resulted in 10.2 deaths per 100,000 people and 1.08 deaths per 100 million vehicle miles traveled.

- Insurance Institute for Highway Safety

Do people realize how amazing that statistic actually is when here in this thread people are acting like every driver is some idiotic retard that can barely pilot a grocery cart much less a 3000 lb vehicle? ONE death in 100 MILLION miles of travel!!! I'd wager those stats are better odds than many other risky activities that we take for granted on a daily basis yet the hysteria in this thread makes it seem like if we don't eliminate human drivers tomorrow then its Armageddon! People really need to understand how safe driving a car really is and keep things in perspective...
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Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric View Post

Do people realize how amazing that statistic actually is when here in this thread people are acting like every driver is some idiotic retard that can barely pilot a grocery cart much less a 3000 lb vehicle? ONE death in 100 MILLION miles of travel!!! I'd wager those stats are better odds than many other risky activities that we take for granted on a daily basis yet the hysteria in this thread makes it seem like if we don't eliminate human drivers tomorrow then its Armageddon! People really need to understand how safe driving a car really is and keep things in perspective...

The only hysteria I've seen in this thread (and that other one) is from the people who're moaning about how the tesla should be banned and elon should get sued because some darwin award contender got killed misusing it when so far the technology (with it's admittedly limited sample size) appears to be safer then normal cars are.
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Originally Posted by SpankyMcFlych View Post

The only hysteria I've seen in this thread (and that other one) is from the people who're moaning about how the tesla should be banned and elon should get sued because some darwin award contender got killed misusing it when so far the technology (with it's admittedly limited sample size) appears to be safer then normal cars are.

Oh look, more hysteria! rolleyes.gif Yes let's all blame the dead guy cuz obviously technology is infallible...
post #236 of 238
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Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric View Post

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There were 29,989 fatal motor vehicle crashes in the United States in 2014 in which 32,675 deaths occurred. This resulted in 10.2 deaths per 100,000 people and 1.08 deaths per 100 million vehicle miles traveled.

- Insurance Institute for Highway Safety

Do people realize how amazing that statistic actually is when here in this thread people are acting like every driver is some idiotic retard that can barely pilot a grocery cart much less a 3000 lb vehicle? ONE death in 100 MILLION miles of travel!!! I'd wager those stats are better odds than many other risky activities that we take for granted on a daily basis yet the hysteria in this thread makes it seem like if we don't eliminate human drivers tomorrow then its Armageddon! People really need to understand how safe driving a car really is and keep things in perspective...

Well, 1 oper 100 Million miles, yes, but that is still 32,675 deaths a year in the US alone...that is roughly 90 a day...

And those are the dead...many more are permanently disabled, amputated, psychologically scared, lose mums & kids etc...the numbers of people injured in car accidents reaches 2.3 Million (MILLION) a year. ANd again, that is in the US alone.
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Annual Global Road Crash Statistics

Nearly 1.3 million people die in road crashes each year, on average 3,287 deaths a day.
An additional 20-50 million are injured or disabled.
More than half of all road traffic deaths occur among young adults ages 15-44.
Road traffic crashes rank as the 9th leading cause of death and account for 2.2% of all deaths globally.
Road crashes are the leading cause of death among young people ages 15-29, and the second leading cause of death worldwide among young people ages 5-14.
Each year nearly 400,000 people under 25 die on the world's roads, on average over 1,000 a day.
Over 90% of all road fatalities occur in low and middle-income countries, which have less than half of the world's vehicles.
Road crashes cost USD $518 billion globally, costing individual countries from 1-2% of their annual GDP.
Road crashes cost low and middle-income countries USD $65 billion annually, exceeding the total amount received in developmental assistance.
Unless action is taken, road traffic injuries are predicted to become the fifth leading cause of death by 2030.




Annual United States Road Crash Statistics

Over 37,000 people die in road crashes each year
An additional 2.35 million are injured or disabled
Over 1,600 children under 15 years of age die each year
Nearly 8,000 people are killed in crashes involving drivers ages 16-20
Road crashes cost the U.S. $230.6 billion per year, or an average of $820 per person
Road crashes are the single greatest annual cause of death of healthy U.S. citizens traveling abroad

We are talking a major issue here...and we dismiss the FACT that human error is the UNQUESTIONED cause of nearly ALL of those deaths and injuries, just because we have so much confidence in our own driving abilities, and our ego feels threatened cause it will be surpassed by a machine...
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Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric View Post

Yeah, go ahead and just kill me now if that ever happens. Cars and bikes are my entire life outside of my daughter (well, and PC's)...

He meant you won't NEED to own a car, not that you CANNOT own or drive a car if you want to.

I love driving for fun myself, but I also commute roughly 3hr + a day as a "proud" SoCal resident...those are precious hours I could have been doing other stuff if I could have a reliable med of transport that doesn't need my un-distracted attention.

And I might have more time (and less opposing traffic) to carve canyon roads if everybody drives just for fun and not for work.
Edited by pcfoo - 7/13/16 at 9:39pm
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Cars are relatively safe. I was the passenger in a pretty nasty accident and we were in a 2003 Civic. A car that's over 13 years old and we all came out unharmed, just sore. The people in the other car (early 2000s Expedition) were also ok. Car safety has gotten much better since that 2003 Civic and I bet if enough research was done, fatalities from car accidents would be virtually eliminated.
Here's dashcam footage of the accident if you're interested, NSFW language though. My buddy had a few words to say to the other driver lol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW3NcKa-myM&t=18
    
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Is that your approach to product development? Use paying customers as guinea pigs to test what is admitted by Tesla to be a "Beta" feature that can put people in danger - not only the drivers, but the other occupants, all the other drivers around and pedestrians to only afterwards draw the conclusion if it's safer or not? ....

It's the ingrained M$ mentality run amuck , at least M$ didn't kill people (that I know of). I do remember in their Eula (NT workstation IIRC) having a clause stating they were not to be held responsible for nuclear war cause by the use of their software. Like everything else it happens in little increments. Thats what idiots don't get when it comes to your civil liberties being revoked.
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