Originally Posted by r31ncarnat3d
I never argued that Tesla is entirely to blame, just that they aren't blameless.
To me, the driver has the overwhelming majority of the blame. That said, Tesla isn't blameless and they shouldn't have pushed out incomplete software especially when they should have known that users would do exactly what this guy did.
And I also disagree with your assessment on "liv[ing] like everyone is incompetent" - overengineering for safety is an industry norm, especially in fields that directly impact lives. It's why elevators can lift much more than the 450lb Max Load signs they have and why cars disable touch input on their GPS or bluetooth phone interfaces when the car is in motion. You can still progress technology while reasonably addressing terrible end user behavior, which Tesla failed to do.
yeah but then you can blame everyone and/or anyone for the mistakes of stupid people. So what a tesla with auto pilot crashed because of an idiotic driver... crashes and fatalities have been happening since the automobile was invented. How about we start having people take responsibility for their actions with the things that they buy and not blame the people who make the products.
Blaming the car makers for a beta software after the owner signed the disclaimers, bought a car with new tech, decided he was no longer responsible for being in control of a moving 2 ton vehicle is just plain irresponsible. it should in no way make it tesla's responsibility for INCOMPETENT people, sure they can improve their tech just like everyone else when they find bugs. When it comes to driving the driver is the one responsible for letting go of the wheel in the middle of traffic causing his death and thank god no one elses.
I see this as just another DUI, sure the driver may not have been drinking or doing drugs but he was drunk off his own arrogance and that ultimately cost him his life. I've seen the tech and been in a tesla model S while the auto pilot was on it works but there is also a notification that you still need to pay attention to the road.
Granted with this tesla will update its software and add more safety features, but i don't think they are to blame at all for all the irresponsible drivers. otherwise you could make that arguement for all other crashes in history where the automakers should not have allowed their cars to go faster than 20mph because that would save hundreds of thousands of lives each year.