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The software is in beta. I dont download anything that is beta on my pc, why the hell would someone use it as auto pilot.
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The software is in beta. I dont download anything that is beta on my pc, why the hell would someone use it as auto pilot.

So they can record themselves and put it on youtube?
 
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So they can record themselves and put it on youtube?

Man those videos irritate me so much. They rely on the tech so much.

Autopilot on yachts work geeat though. They can literally take you to any spot you want and by radar it can see other yachts easily. Yet thr captains are always alert and keep an eye out just in case.
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Technology isn't always good, specially when it makes you toooooooo lazy to even drive a car.
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Technology isn't always good, specially when it makes you toooooooo lazy to even drive a car.

Try commuting in Atlanta for a week.
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He was watching Harry Potter when the accident occurred.
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I know there are a lot of retarded people on the road who can't do any of that either, and that might make the case that these are statistically "safer", but I'm not a statistical probability. I'm not something to be quantified. It's tiring, constantly hearing this world of individuals and their wills being referred to as variables to be solved out. Yes, I know I'm being a bit proactive in feeling the right to drive is under threat, but we all know how things like this go. Give it 75 years; if it's not outright illegal, it'll be phased out by merciless consequences for traffic offences, fear-mongering, absurd insurance policies, excessive policing, and stringent, expensive licensing expenses.. All backed by statistical prejudice, the same way my insurance policy currently charges me excessive amounts for being male and driving a coupe.
Sadly you are way too correct, the road is full of peoples who cannot drive, do not want to either, those are the risk as you can never get good at something you hate.
The dumbing down has gone a long way with features like ESP and ABS, people now think that the car will not crash as it will correct the line itself, the braking is always efficient, the car is smart, yes, but as long as it requires a driver's license to operate, then you should be the one in control and thus responsible for the end result(crash or fine). We will loose the right to drive our own cars like you mentioned, and it may come faster than we think. This comes as no surprise when you look at all the various governments put in place to restrict motoring use, having been/lived in multiple countries just makes it even clearer, the driver is the enemy for the state, and even more so if he enjoys driving, as he cannot be controlled, some countries are starting to have ODB 2 connected insurance black boxes, and some government officials are pushing for this to be mandatory. It is happening, one way or another.
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I never argued that Tesla is entirely to blame, just that they aren't blameless.

To me, the driver has the overwhelming majority of the blame. That said, Tesla isn't blameless and they shouldn't have pushed out incomplete software especially when they should have known that users would do exactly what this guy did.

And I also disagree with your assessment on "liv[ing] like everyone is incompetent" - overengineering for safety is an industry norm, especially in fields that directly impact lives. It's why elevators can lift much more than the 450lb Max Load signs they have and why cars disable touch input on their GPS or bluetooth phone interfaces when the car is in motion. You can still progress technology while reasonably addressing terrible end user behavior, which Tesla failed to do.

yeah but then you can blame everyone and/or anyone for the mistakes of stupid people. So what a tesla with auto pilot crashed because of an idiotic driver... crashes and fatalities have been happening since the automobile was invented. How about we start having people take responsibility for their actions with the things that they buy and not blame the people who make the products.

Blaming the car makers for a beta software after the owner signed the disclaimers, bought a car with new tech, decided he was no longer responsible for being in control of a moving 2 ton vehicle is just plain irresponsible. it should in no way make it tesla's responsibility for INCOMPETENT people, sure they can improve their tech just like everyone else when they find bugs. When it comes to driving the driver is the one responsible for letting go of the wheel in the middle of traffic causing his death and thank god no one elses.

I see this as just another DUI, sure the driver may not have been drinking or doing drugs but he was drunk off his own arrogance and that ultimately cost him his life. I've seen the tech and been in a tesla model S while the auto pilot was on it works but there is also a notification that you still need to pay attention to the road.

Granted with this tesla will update its software and add more safety features, but i don't think they are to blame at all for all the irresponsible drivers. otherwise you could make that arguement for all other crashes in history where the automakers should not have allowed their cars to go faster than 20mph because that would save hundreds of thousands of lives each year.
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Sadly you are way too correct, the road is full of peoples who cannot drive, do not want to either, those are the risk as you can never get good at something you hate.
The dumbing down has gone a long way with features like ESP and ABS...

What? How are driver's aides such as electronic stability control and ABS dumb? You know that typical driving conditions and racing conditions are two very different scenarios, right? Whereas stability managers, traction control systems, and antilock braking may slow you down on a track they are invaluable in making driving safer. Not everything needs to be an F1 race.
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What? How are driver's aides such as electronic stability control and ABS dumb? You know that typical driving conditions and racing conditions are two very different scenarios, right? Whereas stability managers, traction control systems, and antilock braking may slow you down on a track they are invaluable in making driving safer. Not everything needs to be an F1 race.
You seem to have misunderstood my point. I did not call those aids dumb, i called them tools to dumb down the experience. They give a sense of security that is overestimated by most drivers, think of it as regenerative health in a FPS, it will help you, but also could impair your judgment and cause accidents because you were over confident in those systems ability to rescue you. I do not want F1's on the road, this is not the place for them, and i do not want the cars to get rid of those features, i just pointed out that they impair the drivers judgement in a lot of situation, creating a false sense of security and causing accidents. I heard to many people saying "the car will catch me if i mess up", that i do not find this logical or funny, i you do not want to drive, you can ride the bus or a bicycle, but if you insist on needing/wanting to use a car, then accept the full responsibility that comes with this decision.
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