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Anyone against the inevitability of our roads being filled with automated cars is saying that your freedom is more important than the lives of 30,000+ people per year. Had the other vehicle also been automated, this may not have happened. That being said, of course automated cars still have many improvements to be made.
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Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/business/self-driving-tesla-fatal-crash-investigation.html?_r=0

No word exactly who is at fault according tot he article. It will be interesting to see what happens going forward with automated cars. Keep in mind, this is only the first fatality. Not the first the crash.
100% driver fault.
Of course those detectors won't see tractors, trailers, trucks, they always crash into them, doesn't matter if it's automatic brakes from Tesla or Volvo or who ever else, the shape and free space etc. confuses the systems as they only seem to be calibrated to detect solid boxes. Imagine a trailer that has 1m space at the bottom the car might just happily drive into that 1m tall space.

Driver always has to be able to stop when driving, these advanced systems are there to help not to take over control and certainly not to take over responsibilities!
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Anyone against the inevitability of our roads being filled with automated cars is saying that your freedom is more important than the lives of 30,000+ people per year. Had the other vehicle also been automated, this may not have happened. That being said, of course automated cars still have many improvements to be made.

Without going as far as talking about freedom, a thing many people are seemingly willing to give up easily, what do you think would happen if driving lessons were dispensed properly, drivers were encouraged to take on advanced courses in exchange of insurance reduction(substantial ofc), and people who claim that they hate driving (and as such are bound to be among the worst drivers) being barred from driving a car/bike ?
How many lives could be saved this way ? Of course for that people would need to spend the time and sometimes money to work on themselves which seems to be out of the question here. It seems easier to blame the people that actually are going the extra mile( those who like and enjoy driving), than the ones who are really responsible( too much to list, authorities, insurance companies, driving haters...)
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If you really want safe, courteous, attentive drivers attach an eight inch bayonet to the steering wheel pointed at the driver and remove the seat belts. Tesla advertised this assist feature as an auto pilot. Why did they not advertise it as an assist feature? Google maps of that intersection looks pretty flat to me. According to what I read the Tesla driver probably never new what happened. According to other reports the Tesla was still under some control after the crash and still attempting to avoid obstacles, but not slowing down when it finally struck a telephone pole. Truck driver said he never saw the Tesla until after the accident. If he had impacted any solid part of the truck he probably would have survived. Went under the trailer in between the axles at almost a 90 degree angle. The driver an ex Navy SEAL had eight speeding tickets in the last six years. Until driving can be completely autonomous these features should not be available at all.
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Beta features should be done how google does it. No drivers, small leaps and bounds, OR ACTIVE AND READY test subjects who are being vigilant. Till then, no, do not release anything to the public unless it's dumb proof. All I got to say is, mc donalds coffee lawsuit. It's gotta be DUMB proof.
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Anecdotes are meaningless, statistics should drive policy. And statistically I bet vehicles with the driver assist are safer then those without, and once there are fully autonomous vehicles they will also be far safer then manually driven vehicles.

Yes errors will occur, unforeseen circumstances will happen, and limitations of technology will cause problems. But assisted driving and autonomous vehicles will still be far superior to human drivers even with theses early limitations and errors. And with each accident or fatality the technology will be improved until we do reach that 99.99% accident free rate.

But all the technology really needs to do to make it worthwhile is do it better then humans. Which isn't a very high bar to clear, and which is probably already done.
post #47 of 238
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Beta features should be done how google does it. No drivers, small leaps and bounds, OR ACTIVE AND READY test subjects who are being vigilant. Till then, no, do not release anything to the public unless it's dumb proof. All I got to say is, mc donalds coffee lawsuit. It's gotta be DUMB proof.

You have to wonder who in the legislation OK'd these beta tests on public streets? Someone is going to roast. Or is the american public so enthused with the idea of autonomous cars that we're willing to risk public safety to achieve that goal?
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Probably user error
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You have to wonder who in the legislation OK'd these beta tests on public streets? Someone is going to roast. Or is the american public so enthused with the idea of autonomous cars that we're willing to risk public safety to achieve that goal?

Common sense. Would you stick your fingers in an unprotected wall outlet? If you did and it killed you, who's responsible? The electric company? The landlord for not putting a protective cover on the outlet and plastering warnings everywhere? It's your responsibility not to be a complete idiot and pay attention to something that can kill you.

You can argue this in so many ways, but the point is the same. You're behind the wheel with driver assistance. You are the operator and the operator of the vehicle is ultimately responsible for the actions.
Edited by axiumone - 7/2/16 at 2:30pm
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Don't know how reliable you consider the Verge website but according to this there is no oversight. And @axiumone an unprotected wall socket is in my house, public beta testers for Tesla's mad experiments (get it) are an unknown quantity. At least address @keikei comment if you are going to quote them.

If I was that trucker I would sue Tesla for automotive remote proxy assault.
Edited by essanbee - 7/2/16 at 2:37pm
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