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Common sense. Would you stick your fingers in an unprotected wall outlet? If you did and it killed you, who's responsible? The electric company? The landlord for not putting a protective cover on the outlet and plastering warnings everywhere?

You can argue this in so many ways, but the point is the same. You're behind the wheel with driver assistance. You are the operator and the operator of the vehicle is ultimately responsible for the actions.

Not if you're in charge of passing the laws. That person has to assume the general public are idiots. It looks like a politician or two got some good campaign funding if they spend up this self-driving car idea. Also, i havent seen anyone mention the truck driver being at possible fault. The tech failed to see the uncoming truck (thats a given), but it still went through the light. It looks like the truck driver tried to cross the intersection and misjudged the speed of the tesla. So if the tesla went through the legal light, then technically the truck driver is at fault. The tesla had right of way, why would it stop?
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Don't know how reliable you consider the Verge website but according to this there is no oversight. And @axiumone an unprotected wall socket is in my house, public beta testers for Tesla's mad experiments (get it) are an unknown quantity. At least address @keikei comment if you are going to quote them.

If I was that trucker I would sue Tesla for automotive remote proxy assault.

Thats the next shoe to drop.
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post #52 of 238
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Don't know how reliable you consider the Verge website but according to this there is no oversight. And @axiumone an unprotected wall socket is in my house, public beta testers for Tesla's mad experiments (get it) are an unknown quantity. At least address @keikei comment if you are going to quote them.

If I was that trucker I would sue Tesla for automotive remote proxy assault.

Point is, no amount of legislation is going to fix stupid. You have to use a modicum of common sense.
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post #53 of 238
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You have to wonder who in the legislation OK'd these beta tests on public streets? Someone is going to roast. Or is the american public so enthused with the idea of autonomous cars that we're willing to risk public safety to achieve that goal?

How is implementing technology that will reduce automotive accidents and fatalities risking public safety? Once again anecdotes don't trump statistics.
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If there were no faulty autopilot system to abuse this would not happen in this way. There is no light at this intersection.



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How is implementing technology that will reduce automotive accidents and fatalities risking public safety? Once again anecdotes don't trump statistics.

Any statistics to support that claim?
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Any statistics to support that claim?

From tesla themselves, so to be taken with a grain of salt. One would assume that they've performed the research to make such a bold claim.
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This is the first known fatality in just over 130 million miles where Autopilot was activated. Among all vehicles in the US, there is a fatality every 94 million miles. Worldwide, there is a fatality approximately every 60 million miles.
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How is implementing technology that will reduce automotive accidents and fatalities risking public safety? Once again anecdotes don't trump statistics.

Implementing technology that causes automotive accidents and fatalities risks public safety. No BS autopilot and this would not have happened.
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Implementing technology that causes automotive accidents and fatalities risks public safety. No BS autopilot and this would not have happened.

I'm wondering if folks though the same thing about seatbelts, airbags, abs, etc. at the time.
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post #59 of 238
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Implementing technology that causes automotive accidents and fatalities risks public safety. No BS autopilot and this would not have happened.

Statistics > Anecdotes
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Implementing technology that causes automotive accidents and fatalities risks public safety. No BS autopilot and this would not have happened.

You aren't taking into account all of the potential accidents that have been (and will be) avoided. People tend to only care about deaths and not avoided deaths.
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