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The Tesla autopilot feature made this fatal collision possible. That's a frickin fact not a statistic. Facts > Statistics.

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I'm wondering if folks though the same thing about seatbelts, airbags, abs, etc. at the time.

You can equate a self-driving car to all those things you listed, but that doesnt make it true.
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No word exactly who is at fault according to the article.
No matter "who" is driving it's the responsibility of the human. When an airliner crashes, do they ever blame the autopilot there?
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The Tesla autopilot feature made this fatal collision possible. That's a frickin fact not a statistic. Facts > Statistics.

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Remove the auto pilot feature and this death would have occurred anyways.
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No matter "who" is driving it's the responsibility of the human. When an airliner crashes, do they ever blame the autopilot there?

 

^^^ This.

 

Autopilot doesn't mean no pilot. It may be that way in the future but cars, trains, and airplanes still need drivers to operate. Even if the truck didn't wait for traffic to pass.

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I'm confused as to why everybody's placing blame on the driver and/or the vehicle. They clealry stated that a semi turned left in front of him... 2 careless drivers lead to an accident, that's pretty much the moral of this story isn't it?
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The Tesla autopilot feature made this fatal collision possible. That's a frickin fact not a statistic. Facts > Statistics.

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No, it failed to prevent it. Big difference. The tesla didn't make this fatal collision possible, both drivers making mistakes is what caused this crash and the tesla ultimately just wasn't good enough to overcome human error. The makers of tesla are undoubtedly even now striving to improve their technology to ensure that it CAN in the future. Even now statistics show that this sort of thing improves driving outcomes, and as limitations are overcome it will continue to further widen the gap with fallible human drivers.

It doesn't really matter what you technophobes want, insurance premiums will drive adoption of driver assist technologies and ultimately the complete phase out of human drivers altogether.
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No, it failed to prevent it. Big difference. The tesla didn't make this fatal collision possible, both drivers making mistakes is what caused this crash and the tesla ultimately just wasn't good enough to overcome human error. The makers of tesla are undoubtedly even now striving to improve their technology to ensure that it CAN in the future. Even now statistics show that this sort of thing improves driving outcomes, and as limitations are overcome it will continue to further widen the gap with fallible human drivers.

It doesn't really matter what you technophobes want, insurance premiums will drive adoption of driver assist technologies and ultimately the complete phase out of human drivers altogether.

Why would you think a technophobe would be using this site? That is ridiculous. Simply stated if the half assed autopilot was not allowed, as it should not be, the driver would have been driving and not watching a movie. Thereby avoiding this collision. Sure it could have happened by texting or many other possible distractions, but, in this case the drivers reliance on Tesla's auto pilot made it happen. I have no fears of new tech, I have no fears of autonomous cars. IMO this is all on Tesla. It is not ready and they put it out for an unsuspecting user base. When software makers put out updates that cause damages they are often held liable. Instead of crashing a PC or corrupting a database this update killed someone. Yeah no doubt the driver was negligent but Tesla calls it an autopilot and that is how people are using it. The Tesla autopilot was driving that car when the collision happened and you say it didn't make this collision possible. Illogical fanboyism.
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Why would you think a technophobe would be using this site? That is ridiculous. Simply stated if the half assed autopilot was not allowed, as it should not be, the driver would have been driving and not watching a movie. Thereby avoiding this collision. Sure it could have happened by texting or many other possible distractions, but, in this case the drivers reliance on Tesla's auto pilot made it happen. I have no fears of new tech, I have no fears of autonomous cars. IMO this is all on Tesla. It is not ready and they put it out for an unsuspecting user base. When software makers put out updates that cause damages they are often held liable. Instead of crashing a PC or corrupting a database this update killed someone. Yeah no doubt the driver was negligent but Tesla calls it an autopilot and that is how people are using it. The Tesla autopilot was driving that car when the collision happened and you say it didn't make this collision possible. Illogical fanboyism.

What fanboyism? What the heck are you talking about? Are you just arguing for the sake of arguing?

Read this, it's straight from the tesla website.
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Autosteer keeps the car in the current lane and engages Traffic-Aware Cruise Control to maintain the car’s speed. Using a variety of measures including steering angle, steering rate and speed to determine the appropriate operation AutoSteer assists the driver on the road, making the driving experience easier.

Tesla requires drivers to remain engaged and aware when Autosteer is enabled. Drivers must keep their hands on the steering wheel.

I don't have a tesla. I have no interest in getting one and have absolutely no vested interest in the company. Your arguments are literally baseless. Two people weren't paying attention and got into an accident. The driver of the tesla wasnt paying attention at all. This is driver error.
Edited by axiumone - 7/2/16 at 8:33pm
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How about a system that will repeatedly tells you the local traffic laws that you are breaking as you break them?

Oh wait, you cant sell that...
    
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