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It's really easy. Either you are responsible enough to handle it or you are not. If you are not, do not use it. If you are not and use it anyway, you're at fault by default. If you are and use it, you're still at fault. There's no reasonable scenario here where it can be the car's fault unless it actively does something to put you into more danger than you otherwise would have been. Failing to react to peril is not sufficient basis for blame when we're talking about driver assist.

Well what if the government wanted to eventually make you use such a system? (hypothetically in the future say 15-20 years away)

Surely you must be able to understand my point about people not reacting quickly if the car is steering, accelerating, braking, changing lanes etc etc, it will undoubtedly create driver passenger laziness and bad reaction times.

The whole point of these systems eventually is that you can relax and of course the main reason is to get to your destination in safety

If the system can't get you there safely without you having to be ready to take over at any moment due to it failing, then it is completely useless. (in my opinion of course)
Edited by Waitng4realGPU - 7/3/16 at 8:21am
post #82 of 238
The car shouldnt be allowed in open like this with since its in beta
But either way id say its still his fault for either not watching the road or watching and still crashing

Also they said the car was going way to fast for some reason how could he not have known it was going this fast if he was watching
post #83 of 238

Those GM ignition switches and Toyota throttle sensors must have only been in "beta" as well. :rolleyes:

Please. Tesla is responsible. Unproven tech does not belong in a production car that touts it as a safety and convenience feature.

 

You can only use the beta argument when a video game crashes or a piece of software creates an unintended inconvenience, or your iPhone bugs out.etc.

 

"It's only in beta" doesn't fly when the technology endangers lives.


Edited by Cheezman - 7/3/16 at 9:45am
 
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post #84 of 238
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"It's only in beta" doesn't fly when the technology endangers lives.
Not sure if troll.

Have you ever taken medicine? Flown in an airplane? You know that used to be in beta, too.

Just about anything can kill you if you don't use it as directed.
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"It's only in beta" doesn't fly when the technology endangers lives.

I don't agree with this at all. The technology is meant to be a driver aid. It is NOT meant to be a fully autonomous driving entity. Based on the facts presented so far, it sounds like the driver was not paying attention to what was going on; he was watching a movie while driving.

That, right there, enough to exonerate Tesla of any wrongdoing. Why? Because the driver was not paying attention in a situation that could have been avoided had he been paying attention. Again, I think it sucks that a person lost their life, but placing the blame on Tesla for this is like placing the blame on the bicycle manufacturer if a person crashes their bicycle into a vehicle because "they didn't see it". That's not how things work.
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Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/business/self-driving-tesla-fatal-crash-investigation.html?_r=0

No word exactly who is at fault according tot he article. It will be interesting to see what happens going forward with automated cars. Keep in mind, this is only the first fatality. Not the first the crash.

Maybe you shouldn't let a machine control the vehicle you're in? Maybe? LOL, sounds like stupid people to me. Oh well, another one bites the dust.
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That, right there, enough to exonerate Tesla of any wrongdoing. Why? Because the driver was not paying attention in a situation that could have been avoided had he been paying attention. Again, I think it sucks that a person lost their life, but placing the blame on Tesla for this is like placing the blame on the bicycle manufacturer if a person crashes their bicycle into a vehicle because "they didn't see it". That's not how things work.

So you've just proven the point that the automated vehicles are useless.

Person controlling car doesn't pay attention/is on phone/is drunk = potential crash.

Person with automated system doesn't pay attention/is on phone/drunk = potential crash.

Not sure how they are claiming that they are going to save lives.
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So you've just proven the point that the automated vehicles are useless.

Person controlling car doesn't pay attention/is on phone/is drunk = potential crash.

Person with automated system doesn't pay attention/is on phone/drunk = potential crash.

Not sure how they are claiming that they are going to save lives.

Because when used properly, the technology does save lives. That is, when it is used as a driver's aid to help bolster awareness of the surrounding environment, then it is a very good thing.

When it is used to be an autonomous driving tool (not what it was designed to do), then that's when problems crop up.
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Remember the last thread? Remember the video nearly everyone used to praise the autopilot and I was attacked repeatedly for saying it caused the scenario in the first place by ignoring a very human mistake and diving to fast for the traffic conditions? Iirc when I said I wouldn't have been driving that fast at that time in the first place it was 'ad hubris', sad someone had to die to prove me right. Ai could drive no problem if every car was ai, ai will never mingle with humans safely because its not human and cannot ever interpret human decision making and mistakes.
edit just seen he was watching a Harry Potter movie instead of the road, well sorry for being cold hearted but good, the world has lost another moron and the human race evolves slowly but surely for the better, hopefully this one didn't reproduce. Be happy the roads are safer now and it wasnt one of your kids he killed.
Edited by delboy67 - 7/3/16 at 12:16pm
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the world has lost another moron and the human race evolves slowly but surely for the better

I highly doubt we are evolving for the better. We are saving more idiot lives and treating more previously fatal illnesses than ever before. These weaknesses aren't leaving our DNA. Anyway, I welcome our automated car overlords.
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