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post #111 of 360
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I originally said you took his words out of context, you then replied with:
But now you don't care..
I never said that was the average.. I have no idea what the average is. I merely said my card in particular would disprove your "AMD pre-overclocks the crap out of their chips".

Hawaii stock is also 1000MHz, not 1050. A 390X is just a factory overclocked 290X with 8GB's of memory. But i guess we'll forget that because it doesn't suit your argument. rolleyes.gif

As i said earlier, overclocking on Nvidia is deceptive because of boost..

This is more or less the usual 970. - http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_970_gaming_review,26.html

Out of the box it boosts to 1279 MHz, some may boost higher than that too, including cards like the 980Ti. When overclocked to 1500 that gives a 14% overclock.. Not to mention you can't just compare AMD and Nvidia 1:1, a 15% overclock won't give 15% more performance..

So while i would never say AMD's recent cards, Hawaii - present overclock as good as Maxwell, it's not really night and day.. Out of the AMD and Nvidia cards I've owned the AMD ones have also always scaled better with overclocks. Even the 480 does, a 10% overclock on it is netting 10% more performance. The same isn't true for Maxwell.
You seem very obsessed about TDP and power consumption for someone who dropped a grand on a 250W GPU @ stock.. Overclocked 980Ti's also go over 300W, so it's green, but not that type of green. It's not like Nvidia's enthusiast hardware only needs a laptop power brick while AMD needs a power station.. No argument from me about who gives the other a beat-down in perf/watt, however.

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Good post. thumb.gif Completely agree about the temps, i can't go past 1130 in summer where i live because of that.

Maxwell as an architecture was very impressive, still is. It just doesn't overclock by 30+% like many seem to imply.

I would say Hawaii overclocking is in the same range as maxwell only when you put it under water.

Under air, maxwell's is about 10% better. You can overclock a maxwell card so it's close to 25% faster than a stock card.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2014/10/08/nvidia_geforce_gtx_980_overclocking_video_card_review/11#.V3ny5bgrI2w

And this review is still using the default reference cooler. But clocking in the mid 1200 range with hawaii is water territory or golden card range if you want stability.

Of course Maxwell doesn't gain much from water, which is why the gap closes up.

The gtx 980 ti however, is an exceptional overclocker. This is partially due to clocks being 8-9% lower than a gtx 980 but being able to reach the same clocks. The only thing that has this much room is a 7970(which was exceptionally underclocked). But again because of the usability(reasonable power and heat) and consistency(1500mhz is much more common than 1250mhz 7970s), the best overall overclocking goes to the gtx 980 ti.
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Yea, the problem I have with that is that Neither is Total War: Warhammer.. Neither is Hitman, Quantum Break, Forza 6, or Gears UE. The thing is... Hitman's engine has always favored AMD gpus, and the other games listed were designed with GCN in mind. Which is what I'd attribute AMDs performance to, moreso than DX12/Async.

AotS might be the only one built from the ground up for DX12, however it's not the best benchmark, and is clearly skewed towards AMD as well.

It's still too early in DX12s lifecycle to make any huge claims imo. Sure you can say that AMD's mid-range performs much better, and I definitely would agree with that. It does give AMD a better price/performance value. However I wouldn't go so far to say yet that one side is terrible in DX12 while the other is amazing.

They both perform similarly in the high end, with AMD offering better value in the mid-range like they always have.

When the landscape changes to DX12 only titles and the API has matured a bit.. then we'll see who performs better in DX12 games.
The thing about benchmarks is...

it'd be interesting to see performance of both camps in the upcoming 3DMark 'Time Spy" benchmark. I guess that'd be rather neutral no ?
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it'd be interesting to see performance of both camps in the upcoming 3DMark 'Time Spy" benchmark. I guess that'd be rather neutral no ?

For myself... sure. But I'm telling you right now that if Nvidia is ahead AMD fanboys will claim that Futuremark isn't making enough use of Async compute and thus isn't fully taking advantage of AMDs architecture.
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For myself... sure. But I'm telling you right now that if Nvidia is ahead AMD fanboys will claim that Futuremark isn't making enough use of Async compute and thus isn't fully taking advantage of AMDs architecture.

don't you know async compute is the future ? rolleyes.gif

I'd rather take that benchmark rather than heavily sponsored games from both camps.
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http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/total_war_warhammer_directx_12_pc_graphics_performance_benchmark_review,6.html




Wait what ? Warhammer needs GCN 1.1 and later frown.gif(frown.giffrown.gif Not that I play that game but still..
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GCN 1.0 and Kepler is not supported for DirectX 12 now, this is so bad. Don't know what to do with my HD 7970s in future frown.gif. Someone got GTX Titan is so sad now.
Edited by XHellAngelX - 7/4/16 at 12:16am
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How about you lot admit since 1080 & 1070 are out of stock as well, that either

  • the 25X 1080 stock claim isn't really true
  • 1080/1070 launch are just as well if not better given Nvidia is earning as much as 4-6X more margin per chip


But when it is Nvidia card is out of stock everywhere the launch is a castrophic fail because they deliberately didn't provide enough stock rolleyes.gif, whereas when AMD card is out of stock everywhere the launch is a great sucess wink.gif #RedLogic

1070 and 1080 together was only 1/10th the release of RX 480 cards.
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GCN 1.0 and Kepler is not supported for DirectX 12 now, this is so bad.

GCN 1.0 is supposed to be with limited compatibility. GCN 1.0 has fewer ACEs to GCN 1.1+
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How about you lot admit since 1080 & 1070 are out of stock as well, that either

  • the 25X 1080 stock claim isn't really true
  • 1080/1070 launch are just as well if not better given Nvidia is earning as much as 4-6X more margin per chip


But when it is Nvidia card is out of stock everywhere the launch is a castrophic fail because they deliberately didn't provide enough stock rolleyes.gif, whereas when AMD card is out of stock everywhere the launch is a great sucess wink.gif #RedLogic
Yeah yeah like my local store 1070/1080 stock was like 5 pieces each biggrin.gif
And btw i'm still waiting for my 1080 that i bought 3 weeks ago wink.gif
Ps: i just hope that itwill arrive before the 1080ti is out biggrin.gif
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Yea, they're priced at $199 no doubt. Just, not available.

I still don't believe that Microcenter's exist. Tales for school children and fishermen. Hey, stop by the city of Atlantis on your way to shop at Microcenter! tongue.gif

Well they also have only been on the market for 6 days now. Compared to the month that pascal products have been "available".
 
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