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The rx 480 allready shows that AMD is going to have some kind of advance in DX12. In dx12 it might even come close to a 980ti who knows?
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The rx 480 allready shows that AMD is going to have some kind of advance in DX12. In dx12 it might even come close to a 980ti who knows?

DX12 will not give AMD 50% Boost. Best cases is 20%.
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The rx 480 allready shows that AMD is going to have some kind of advance in DX12. In dx12 it might even come close to a 980ti who knows?
RX 480 maybe with OC and Asynchronous Compute
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THere's more to DX12 than just the 3D rendering parts. Plus, there's very little incentive to develop for Vulkan when 99% of PC gamer are using Windows anyway.
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DX12 will not give AMD 50% Boost. Best cases is 20%.
I heard they are getting up to 100% in Doom under Vulkan in some scenarios. Cant wait for that one
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DX12 will not give AMD 50% Boost. Best cases is 20%.

DX12 and Vulkan should offer far more than that.. Not just for AMD either, but only when games are built to take advantage of the API's. thumb.gif

Even this patch is seeing a 290X get a boost of nearly 20%.

I wish they used a 8GB 390X though.. It would give us a hint about the 480. Before anyone freaks out, I'm not saying a 480 will match a 980Ti, but we haven't seen what heavily OC'ed AIB cards can do yet, under DX12 with the use of Async it shouldn't be to hard to get close to it.
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DX12 will not give AMD 50% Boost. Best cases is 20%.
Don't think like that. Asynchronous Shader capable gpus are offloading the cpu's work, so there is 15-20% boost across the board. How often do we come across IPC improvements again?
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I heard they are getting up to 100% in Doom under Vulkan in some scenarios. Cant wait for that one

If there is serious CPU overhead then yes. Something like AoTS.
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If there is serious CPU overhead then yes. Something like AoTS.

Well considering that a stock clocked RX 480 sits between a R9 390 and R9 390x and that a R9 390x is often either beating or matching a GTX 980 Ti under DX12 titles then it is not a stretch to imagine a RX 480 coming mighty close to a GTX 980 Ti under DX 12 titles.

As for Total War - Warhammer... it does make use of Asynchronous Compute + Graphics last I heard. That would likely explain the performance loss attributed to the GTX 980 Ti due to latency being introduced into the execution pipeline.

I would bet that a GTX 1070/1080 would either get similar performance going from DX11 to DX12 or a slight bump (ever so slight). This is mostly due to the reduction in latencies attributed to flushing an SM (when moving from one compute task to another a.k.a finer grained preemption) as well as the capability to run the Graphics and Compute tasks in parallel but in two separate GPCs (which can allow for a performance boost when very minute degrees of Async compute + graphics are introduced into the execution pipeline due to the fact that you only have so many GPCs being available at any given time). So while the GTX 1070 and 1080 do not support Asynchronous Compute + Graphics they do have some slight tweaks in order to alleviate the performance losses we witnessed with Maxwell.

What will determine the performance boost for the RX 480 (relative to past GCN parts) is the degree by which the increased instruction buffers (per CU) help to boost single threaded performance. If the RX 480 is already obtaining a significant single threaded boost under DX11 then moving to DX12 will not result in the same performance boost we have witnessed in prior GCN GPUs. Asynchronous compute+graphics-wise though... I would still expect a boost in terms of performance for the RX 480... perhaps even moreso than with prior GCN GPUs due to the caching improvements in the Polaris architecture.

As for the larger instruction buffers... basically Polaris can buffer up 20 or 22 DWORD worth of instructions vs 16 for prior GCN GPUs. This means that the RX 480 is going to be making less requests to the CPU for work and that leads to there being less GPU stalls if the CPU is busy with some other work when the GPU is ready to receive new work. This translates into a boost in performance in single threaded scenarios (DX9/10/11 scenarios).

So I do not expect Pascal to suffer much from the use of dX12 and Asynchronous compute+graphics but Maxwell and Kepler GPUs are basically heading towards being obsolete very fast (as I had expected).
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Well considering that a stock clocked RX 480 sits between a R9 390 and R9 390x and that a R9 390x is often either beating or matching a GTX 980 Ti under DX12 titles then it is not a stretch to imagine a RX 480 coming mighty close to a GTX 980 Ti under DX 12 titles.

As for Total War - Warhammer... it does make use of Asynchronous Compute + Graphics last I heard. That would likely explain the performance loss attributed to the GTX 980 Ti due to latency being introduced into the execution pipeline.

I would bet that a GTX 1070/1080 would either get similar performance going from DX11 to DX12 or a slight bump (ever so slight). This is mostly due to the reduction in latencies attributed to flushing an SM as well as the capability to run the Graphics and Compute tasks in parallel but in two separate GPCs. So while the GTX 1070 and 1080 do not support Asynchronous Compute + Graphics they do have some slight tweaks in order to alleviate the performance losses we witnessed with Maxwell.

What will determine the performance boost for the RX 480 (relative to past GCN parts) is the degree by which the increased instruction buffers (per CU) help to boost single threaded performance. If the RX 480 is already obtaining a significant single threaded boost under DX11 then moving to DX12 will not result in the same performance boost we have witnessed in prior GCN GPUs. Asynchronous compute+graphics-wise though... I would still expect a boost in terms of performance for the RX 480... perhaps even moreso than with prior GCN GPUs due to the caching improvements in the Polaris architecture.

As for the larger instruction buffers... basically Polaris can buffer up 20 or 22 DWORD worth of instructions vs 16 for prior GCN GPUs. This means that the RX 480 is going to be making less requests to the CPU for work and that leads to there being less GPU stalls if the CPU is busy with some other work when the GPU is ready to receive new work. This translates into a boost in performance in single threaded scenarios (DX9/10/11 scenarios).

So I do not expect Pascal to suffer much from the use of dX12 and Asynchronous compute+graphics but Maxwell and Kepler GPUs are basically heading towards being obsolete very fast (as I had expected).

You are saying RX 480 sits between 390 and 390X which is not true. It sits below 390. Also what games in DX12 390X matches GTX 980 Ti? I thought AoTS was the best example for AMD and it does not match it there. Its nice RX480 improving pipeline stalls in older DX and has been shown in some games vs 390 but are we not moving to DX12 where all these small improvements with GCN 4th gen are nullified?
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