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Originally Posted by Asmodian View Post

Are we sure GP102 is for a different interlink? The TechPowerUp post today seems to suggest the new Titan is GP100, but who really knows? tongue.gif


Let me repost the original source that Techpowerup seem to quote from.


http://vrworld.com/2016/07/05/nvidia-gp100-titan-faster-geforce-1080/
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While Nvidia will pull out all the guns to fight the AMD Radeon RX 480, releasing GeForce GTX 1060 as early as July 7th – our focus is slowly turning towards the real big gun of Pascal-based GeForce line-up. If our sources are correct, GP100 and GP102 were essentially the same chips, with the difference being NVLink interface on the GP100 and PCI Express for the GP100. Feature set on both chips is the same, and there are no surprises.

We held the “Tesla P100 for PCI Express-based Servers” board in our hands just a few weeks ago, and just a few days ago, we managed to grab our hands on a GP100/GP102-based GeForce GTX Titan. As we reported earlier, this board will only come to market after the debut of Quadro-branded products. Both Quadro and GeForce cards come with the same heatsink, albeit in different color scheme, and “QUADRO” markings vs. “TITAN” on the aluminum-machined shroud.

Display configuration is similar to GeForce GTX 1080/1070, with one small change. Our board did not had DVI connectors on it.


I find it hilarious that TECHPOWERUP give a complete different interpretation from its own source.
Edited by guttheslayer - 7/5/16 at 8:35pm
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Let me repost the original leak here...


http://vrworld.com/2016/07/05/nvidia-gp100-titan-faster-geforce-1080/

I wonder if their sources are correct. An entirely new die only for a different interface seems extreme to me but it could be true. However, I don't think it would add much area to pack a PCI-E interface next to the one for NVLink.

A GDDR5X ready die also seems like a good idea, incase HBM2 didn't work out for some reason if not for being a cheaper option. It also looks like the same memory controller can use GDDR5 or GDDR5X, though 384-bit GDDR5 would bottleneck a 3840 CUDA core Pascal GPU pretty badly 384-bit GDDR5X would probably provide enough bandwidth. Maybe even some of that 14Gbps GDDR5X. biggrin.gif
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I wonder if their sources are correct. An entirely new die only for a different interface seems extreme to me but it could be true. However, I don't think it would add much area to pack a PCI-E interface next to the one for NVLink.

A GDDR5X ready die also seems like a good idea, in case HBM2 didn't work out for some reason if not for being a cheaper option. It also looks like the same memory controller can use GDDR5 or GDDR5X, though 384-bit GDDR5 would bottleneck a 3840 CUDA core Pascal GPU pretty badly 384-bit GDDR5X would probably provide enough bandwidth. Maybe even some of that 14Gbps GDDR5X. biggrin.gif


GP100 doesnt need to have a PCIe, or they can disabled the NVLink and just slap to a PCIe board, either way it too confusing at this point but what we see so far on Tesla vs Quadro, what VRW suggest is pretty spot on. GP100 and GP102 for both NVL and PCIe. They need a code to separate this 2 out since they run on different interface (probably have minor tweaks in the GPU cores itself)


And also, I still believe that G5X is not ready for 384 bits. So what Nvidia will do is to follow the original schedule of:

HBM - High end / Ultra Enthuiast
G5X - Mainstream
G5 - Entry level


In this case, there is no need for a 384 bits G5X.
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I wonder if their sources are correct. An entirely new die only for a different interface seems extreme to me but it could be true. However, I don't think it would add much area to pack a PCI-E interface next to the one for NVLink.

A GDDR5X ready die also seems like a good idea, incase HBM2 didn't work out for some reason if not for being a cheaper option. It also looks like the same memory controller can use GDDR5 or GDDR5X, though 384-bit GDDR5 would bottleneck a 3840 CUDA core Pascal GPU pretty badly 384-bit GDDR5X would probably provide enough bandwidth. Maybe even some of that 14Gbps GDDR5X. biggrin.gif

If I'm not mistaken, people stated that the GP100 chip is missing parts which are essential for being a full time GPU.
Meaning the GP100 can't be a titan, and a different version, aka the GP102, will become the titan instead.

Regarding GDDR5X, since it is pretty new, I don't know a high speed high capacity one will be available outside of the 1080. Since they are already making tesla and quadro cards wth HBM2, and HBM2 is supposed to be mass produced for some good months already, I hope at least the cards will arrive with HBM2 as the rumours have been for awhile. It will make more sense.
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Tons of voltage regulator? Maybe this card will be the first to break the 2.1GHz barrier. Also the FE cooler is not even cutting it for 1080, a monster die like GP100 which is twice as big, definitely need TWICE the cooling capacity.


The PCB is probably designed excessively large to accommodate the giant heatsink.

to recap, there might not be a 1080 Ti, instead renamed as both Titan so Nvidia can price it through the roof:


Titan P - 3584 cores, 12GB HBM2, No DP, $999, AiB available

Titan P FE - 3840 cores, 16GB HBM2, 1/4 DP, $1499, Only FE

My friend, I think Occam's razor applies here and the rumor is just simply full of equine stool is all. smile.gif
post #296 of 956
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GP100 doesnt need to have a PCIe, or they can disabled the NVLink and just slap to a PCIe board, either way it too confusing at this point but what we see so far on Tesla vs Quadro, what VRW suggest is pretty spot on. GP100 and GP102 for both NVL and PCIe. They need a code to separate this 2 out since they run on different interface (probably have minor tweaks in the GPU cores itself)


And also, I still believe that G5X is not ready for 384 bits. So what Nvidia will do is to follow the original schedule of:

HBM - High end / Ultra Enthuiast
G5X - Mainstream
G5 - Entry level


In this case, there is no need for a 384 bits G5X.

From what I understand the PCIE Quadro is GP100, from VRW:
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Feature-wise, all products are identical. GP100 physically carries 3840 CUDA cores. The number splits into two figures – 2880 FP32 Single-Precision and 960 FP64 Double-Precision cores. All products utilize GPU Boost to temporarily achieve peak performance. What Tesla P100 for PCIe-Based Servers does not carry are the display outputs. Still, we managed to see a prototype, a fully functional PCIe board which will come to market as Quadro P6000 and as GeForce GTX Titan (insert the random letter).
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My friend, I think Occam's razor applies here and the rumor is just simply full of equine stool is all. smile.gif


First they already mentioned the board have some difference, no DVI connector.

Next they mentioned the positioning of the 6+8 power pin

Lastly they mentioned the board is 12 inch long which is different from previous Titan, and describe the engrave with Titan and also different colour scheme.


I am very sure they did have the sample on board to drill down to this level of detail. Unless they are imaginating thing.
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From what I understand the PCIE Quadro is GP100, from VRW:


This author apparently doesn't know the layout of GP100, despite having the block diagram officially release by NV, let me help him:

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Feature-wise, all products are identical. GP100 physically carries 5760 cores. The number splits into two figures – 3840 FP32 Single-Precision and 1920 FP64 Double-Precision cores. All products utilize GPU Boost to temporarily achieve peak performance. What Tesla P100 for PCIe-Based Servers does not carry are the display outputs. Still, we managed to see a prototype, a fully functional PCIe board which will come to market as Quadro P6000 and as GeForce GTX Titan (insert the random letter)
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First they already mentioned the board have some difference, no DVI connector.

Next they mentioned the positioning of the 6+8 power pin

Lastly they mentioned the board is 12 inch long which is different from previous Titan, and describe the engrave with Titan and also different colour scheme.


I am very sure they did have the sample on board to drill down to this level of detail. Unless they are imaginating thing.

Well I have a Titan P sample sitting right at my desk, and I can tell you it does have a DVI connector, there is only one 8+6 pin version, and the power connectors are in the usual place. Oh and the card is only 8 inches long, not 12 as they mentioned.

...

I mean it's just too easy to write stuff and sound authoritative. Either way, I refuse to believe anything from this rumor until I see a 12 inch Titan with HBM2.
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