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Anyone who thinks Nvidia will release the Titan in August or even this year is delusional. It will only be a reveal in August, having an engineering sample isn't the same as being ready for production. You could have an engineering sample ready a year before you mass produce them.

Also, the 1080 is barely out, and Nvidia knows that Vega will not come until at least October (and even that are only rumors), more likely is a Q1 release for Vega, same goes for the Titan.

You are the one that is delusion, when the market are willing to pay for 1080, and how fast they were being sold out, pushing the titan out at a extreme premium as early as possible is one way to earn even more.

Time and time again the world has shown that we are willing to pay extreme prices. And the best way to milk the market is to cut down the die in many config:

3840 / 3584 / 3200 / 3072 cores configuration

So many different GPU to feed the masses. That is how they can milk for the next 12-24 months. The above configuration should come true for the following 1100 series next year.
Edited by guttheslayer - 7/6/16 at 3:26am
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Pretty much. Even the biggest nvidia fanboys out there should be praying AMD does well, for everyones sake.... Otherwise this is a visual representation as to the control Nvidia will have over gamers/market/pricing
As an avid nVidia (and Intel) fan, I'm absolutely HOPING with every fiber of my being that AMD can keep up with these performance leaps.

I don't know if there is some kind of legal/law thing that keeps companies from monopolizing stuff and inflating the heck out of prices...but Intel are pretty much already doing it and nVidia are starting to do it too.
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You are the one that is delusion, when the market are willing to pay for 1080, and how fast they were being sold out, pushing the titan out at a extreme premium as early as possible is one way to earn even more.
They can't chug out new products too fast, or they will saturate and stagnate their own market. If you were in nVidia's shoes the last thing you would want people to think is "oh just wait a few months and get a better product". You want to hit that sweet-spot where the next product is just slightly too far away to make the consumer buy the current product, with the next product being just enticing enough to make the consumer consider upgrading. It's a science that Apple has mastered with their phones tongue.gif

For example, I'm looking to upgrade my card and this announcement has completely killed any chance of me buying a 1080.
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As an avid nVidia (and Intel) fan, I'm absolutely HOPING with every fiber of my being that AMD can keep up with these performance leaps.

I don't know if there is some kind of legal/law thing that keeps companies from monopolizing stuff and inflating the heck out of prices...but Intel are pretty much already doing it and nVidia are starting to do it too.
They can't chug out new products too fast, or they will saturate and stagnate their own market. If you were in nVidia's shoes the last thing you would want people to think is "oh just wait a few months and get a better product". You want to hit that sweet-spot where the next product is just *slightly* too far away and make the consumer buy the current product, with the next product being *just* enticing enough to make the consumer consider upgrading. It's a science that Apple has mastered with their phones.

For example, I'm looking to upgrade my card and this announcement has completely killed any chance of me buying a 1080.

To be fair the actual MSRP isn't that much higher than their previous products, it's just the FE is kinda a loophole to charge more.

Apple is worse than Nvidia in my eyes.
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For example, I'm looking to upgrade my card and this announcement has completely killed any chance of me buying a 1080.


If the price of the new Titan is $1400, are u sure you want to give up 1080 at $599?


The enthusiast market is quite different from mainstream, its not a big market and probably only affect 5%, but the whole point is to shift the market perception of PRICE. Basically Nvidia goal is to tell the world that its bang for bucks to price their flagship at $1400. If they can change the market perception as early as possible, it could mean something for them.

Putting 1080 and Titan are a very big price gap doesn't really saturate their market, in fact it help to alleviate the lack of stock everywhere for 1080s, and it make the 1080s look even more attractive.

Your situation only apply if GTX 1180 is coming out with same price bracket as 1080 within 3 months. That would create the problem you mention. But no, Titan is twice as exp as 1080. Not many will actually dump their 1080 for it. Just FYI.
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Tons of voltage regulator? Maybe this card will be the first to break the 2.1GHz barrier. Also the FE cooler is not even cutting it for 1080, a monster die like GP100 which is twice as big, definitely need TWICE the cooling capacity.


The PCB is probably designed excessively large to accommodate the giant heatsink.

to recap, there might not be a 1080 Ti, instead renamed as both Titan so Nvidia can price it through the roof:


Titan P - 3584 cores, 12GB HBM2, No DP, $999, AiB available

Titan P FE - 3840 cores, 16GB HBM2, 1/4 DP, $1499, Only FE

im ready to buy the Titan P at 3584 cores. Where i can pre order? wink.gif
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Twice the cost for 2x transistor count though? ~1300-1400 seems about right?
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Twice the cost for 2x transistor count though? ~1300-1400 seems about right?


Err no, full transistor count only happen when you include the DP compute unit, most likely the titan will be crippled partially or fully for DP. So no, you dont get twice the transistor for your Titan.
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im ready to buy the Titan P at 3584 cores. Where i can pre order? wink.gif


If anything, the 3584 cores with AiB might cost even more, $1200 King Pin edition anyone?


its basically a 1080 Ti in disguise that is slapped with a Titan price.
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Twice the cost for 2x transistor count though? ~1300-1400 seems about right?

To be honest i want to buy the next Titan, but only at 999$ 1099$ MAX. So i really hope they do a titan P 12GB 3584.... otherwise i will wait for the 1080 ti. i wont waste 1400$ for a full titan card
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Twice the cost for 2x transistor count though? ~1300-1400 seems about right?

To be honest i want to buy the next Titan, but only at 999$ 1099$ MAX. So i really hope they do a titan P 12GB 3584.... otherwise i will wait for the 1080 ti. i wont waste 1400$ for a full tit
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If anything, the 3584 cores with AiB might cost even more, $1200 King Pin edition anyone?


its basically a 1080 Ti in disguise that is slapped with a Titan price.

i wont care about a Kingpin edition, i will buy a cheaper custom edition. i can overclock myself. i just want 2 or 3 cooler fans, i didnt like the ONE fan of the founders edition. i just bought 2 weeks ago, the 1070 gtx gigabyte windforce with 2 fans, while im waiting for the titan ... cant game anymore with a intel integrated graphic gpu.

i suppose nvidia should know that some enthousiast like me wont pay more than 999$-1099$ for the titan. they have to build 2 different titan card if they want to make a 1400$+ edition, otherwise they wont sell a lot of them, and like a lot of people i will wait for the 1080 ti
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