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Bragging rights do seem to matter though, when you have the fastest single GPU card your midrange seems to sell better even when at that price point you are slower than the competition. tongue.gif

That's pretty much the only explanation for why the 960 sold at all.
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I would hope that you are not intimating that a $700 GTX 1080 is mid-range?!?! The X80 cards are always the in-between flagships between big-chip Titans, at least since 2012. There's no reason for Nvidia to change this dynamic now, especially when AMD is not even competing at the high end at all. There's no guarantee that Vega will even offer better performance than the 1080 so it would be an absolute waste to rush out a Titan card now just months after the 1080 launched only to compete with themselves! They will wait to see how Vega does, and in the unlikely event that it beats the 1080 handily, can then drop the new Titan to reclaim the crown. This is how Nvidia has operated for donkey's years now...
They still have to put a TITAN out several months ahead of actual vega launch, so they can charge arms & leg for a TITAN.

Reason being that to kill Vega, they need 1080Ti release around vega launch date. IMO Having 1080Ti launch too close to TITAN will cannibalize titan's rip off sales.
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post #433 of 956
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Having 1080Ti launch too close to TITAN will cannibalize titan's rip off sales.
From what I understood Titan isn't even aimed at the same consumer base as the x80 Ti. Yes Titan can be used for gaming, but it's a compute/cuda card more than anything else and it costs $1000+.

I mean no gamer is seriously buying Titans just for gaming right? Right?? Why the heck would anyone do that? wth.gif
Edited by Xuvial - 7/6/16 at 9:52pm
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That's pretty much the only explanation for why the 960 sold at all.

True for performance, but its HEVC hardware decode was great for HTPC builds. smile.gif
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They still have to put a TITAN out several months ahead of actual vega launch, so they can charge arms & leg for a TITAN.

Reason being that to kill Vega, they need 1080Ti release around vega launch date. IMO Having 1080Ti launch too close to TITAN will cannibalize titan's rip off sales.

Being able to charge more to the people who are willing to pay more while also selling basically the same product to the people who are not willing to pay more is one of the capitalist's holy grails. Releasing the Titan "deluxe" version a few months early is required to make it work. Nvidia and their partners get the extra cash from those who are willing to pay more to buy early while still selling large die GPUs in reasonable volumes to those who aren't willing to spend that much. It is hard to get good product differentiators that do not add to the BOM but Nvidia really doesn't want anyone who is willing to pay $1000 to only pay $750.
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From what I understood Titan isn't even aimed at the same consumer base as the x80 Ti. Yes Titan can be used for gaming, but it's a compute/cuda card more than anything else and it costs $1000+.

I mean no gamer is seriously buying Titans just for gaming right? Right?? Why the heck would anyone do that? wth.gif

The Titan X was pretty much exactly a 980 Ti with double the memory, I suppose they probably sold some for scientific applications that needed a lot of memory and didn't want to pay for a Quadro M6000 but both Titans were mostly sold to gamers.

Titans are gaming cards designed to sell to those who do not mind paying 50% more to get 5% more. This is a consumer group that is often catered to, for obvious reasons. Have you looked at the price of a first class airline ticket? I will happily drop a grand or two extra to get the best computer parts but I will not spend THAT much to have a more comfortable flight to Beijing.

Compared to all the random luxuries humans spend vast sums on a slightly overpriced "deluxe" video card is a very rational use of funds.
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From what I understood Titan isn't even aimed at the same consumer base as the x80 Ti. Yes Titan can be used for gaming, but it's a compute/cuda card more than anything else and it costs $1000+.

I mean no gamer is seriously buying Titans just for gaming right? Right?? Why the heck would anyone do that? wth.gif

I will be.

Reasons being, regardless of price to performance ratio compared to Ti's, Titans are still the fastest cards out and I have disposable income. I want to upgrade to a big chip from my 980s and don't want to wait who knows how long for the Ti's.

I upgrade every 2-3 years so I want to have the best available at the time of upgrading.
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They still have to put a TITAN out several months ahead of actual vega launch, so they can charge arms & leg for a TITAN.

Reason being that to kill Vega, they need 1080Ti release around vega launch date. IMO Having 1080Ti launch too close to TITAN will cannibalize titan's rip off sales.

I think you have a fairly good point. If I was Nvidia, I would release the Titan P ASAP (Summer/Fall 2016) to rack in on the probably $1200~$1500 GPU sales then release the more rational 1080Ti to compete (and most likely beat) the Vega 10 in Spring of 2017.

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From what I understood Titan isn't even aimed at the same consumer base as the x80 Ti. Yes Titan can be used for gaming, but it's a compute/cuda card more than anything else and it costs $1000+.

I mean no gamer is seriously buying Titans just for gaming right? Right?? Why the heck would anyone do that? wth.gif

Not so good of a point. The current generation of Titan cards don't do squat with compute/cuda. It's literally just a more beefed upped version of the 980Ti. It's a 100% gaming card. First Titan not so much. And if you're wondering who buys Titan X's for gaming then it's this guy. I needed 4 of them in SLI to maintain 60FPS minimum on modern games with 4k resolution. I'm happy with the 2 SLI only changes as I was able to cut my systems cost in half and while almost have the same performance (more once the Titan P gets released for SLI).
Edited by Seyumi - 7/6/16 at 10:32pm
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That is precisely the point. The advantage of releasing titan asap is to make potential 1080 ti players simply jump on the big gun. What if i tell u when titan release and there is no 1080 ti within the next one year? Ppl will have no choice but to wack titan or settle down with an inferior 1080.

Alot of ppl been commenting about market saturation but i can tell u not everyone who bought 1080 will dump their card for titan that is twice as exp. they will wait for 1080 ti. But when u tell the world there is no 1080 ti for the next 6 months at least and quickly release the titan that is even more exp than the usual price, u have a win in all situation on profits.

That is how nvidia want to milk the market. Kills the 1080 ti and force ppl to jump to titan. 1080 ti will only be available if amd had smth to compete.
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NVIDIA is all about making money, if that means two Titans with different core amounts, memory sizes, and different prices by all means they will do it. NVIDIA has had some time to plan out how they want to do Big Die Pascal.

With Big Die Maxwell we only saw two GTX SKUs (980 Ti and Titan X).

Yet with Big Die Kepler we saw four (780, Titan, 780 Ti, Titan Black). Again with different Cuda Core counts and memory sizes.

NVIDIA could easily do the following:

GP102 Titan 16GB HBM - $1200 (August) - 50% over 1080
GP102 Titan 12GB HBM (slightly cut down) - $1000 (August) - 40% over 1080
GP102 1080 Ti 8GB G5X (even more cut down) - $800 (November) - 30% over 1080

They'll charge a lot more I'm certain of it.
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That is precisely the point. The advantage of releasing titan asap is to make potential 1080 ti players simply jump on the big gun. What if i tell u when titan release and there is no 1080 ti within the next one year? Ppl will have no choice but to wack titan or settle down with an inferior 1080.

Alot of ppl been commenting about market saturation but i can tell u not everyone who bought 1080 will dump their card for titan that is twice as exp. they will wait for 1080 ti. But when u tell the world there is no 1080 ti for the next 6 months at least and quickly release the titan that is even more exp than the usual price, u have a win in all situation on profits.

That is how nvidia want to milk the market. Kills the 1080 ti and force ppl to jump to titan. 1080 ti will only be available if amd had smth to compete.

All I'm saying is that if they did as you suggest and release the new Titan within the next month it would be contrary to 4+ years of Nvidia business practices. They have never launched a Titan card this close to the launch of an X80 card before. They already hold a completely uncontested GPU crown and there is simply no need to up the ante right now (especially considering the fact that they are likely going to be stuck on 16nm for a while and would like to stretch out the performance gains for as long as possible). I think you guys are just confusing your hopes for what will happen with what 4 years of a successful business model tells us will happen. But who knows? redface.gif
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