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If AMD did nothing but removed the Fury bottlenecks, then the Big Vega would be 217.5% of a 390x performance. Where does that put it compared to the TP?
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im still thinking that nvidia know they cant release a titan card with a price much higher than 1000$, otherwise most people will wait for the 1080ti, like me. While waiting for a titan, i bought the 1070 instead of 1080, because my goal is to buy the titan or 1080ti, and by that time, i think the 1080 will got a higher price drop compared to 1070. anyway for me 1070 like 1080 are too weak for 4k at 60hz so i dont care much, i just cant live with the integrated intel gpu anymore lol. when i sold my 970 2 months ago, it was for buying a titan in april,may, rumor said it was possible at that time. i agree with the fact that nvidia should release titan soon and then wait 6 months for 1080ti. titan is not really for the same people that buy 1070 or 1080, titan is so much expensive.
Edited by renejr902 - 7/7/16 at 4:23am
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im still thinking that nvidia know they cant release a titan card with a price much higher than 1000$, otherwise most people will wait for the 1080ti, like me. While waiting for a titan, i bought the 1070 instead of 1080, because my goal is to buy the titan or 1080ti, and by that time, i think the 1080 will got a higher price drop compared to 1070. anyway for me 1070 like 1080 are too weak for 4k at 60hz so i dont care much, i just cant live with the integrated intel gpu anymore lol. when i sold my 970 2 months ago, it was for buying a titan in april,may, rumor said it was possible at that time. i agree with the fact that nvidia should release titan soon and then wait 6 months for 1080ti. titan is not really for the same people that buy 1070 or 1080, titan is so much expensive.



To release the Titan earlier it give them right to price the Titan above $1000, aka early adopter tax. It probably make more sense to release the card at higher price now and den cut down to $999 after a few month than to release it at $999 after a few month.


Another thing you all fail to realised, There are 2 Titan variants, did the source even mentioned if both will be release at the same timeframe? What if the smaller titan is out in Sept, bigger Titan is out in Dec and 1080 Ti is out March 2017? At the price of $999, $1199+ and $799 respectively?

All the source point out it could be 50% faster than 1080, but none of them can confirm if Pascal Titan will be indeed full flat out 3840 cores. If you see carefully the fastest P100 Tesla NVLink only has 3584 cores available. And the PCIe variant is 13% slower, putting it around the performance of 3200 Cores at 1.45GHz.


What if the 3200 cores is the one that is coming out in Sept, there is just too many possibility, but as you can see they are ALOT of configuration u can play around with GP100. Its really too early to conclude they wont be out. Who know they could cut out enough pattern for them to milk the market in the next 12-18 months.
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im still thinking that nvidia know they cant release a titan card with a price much higher than 1000$, otherwise most people will wait for the 1080ti, like me. i bought the 1070 instead of 1080, because my goal is to buy the titan or 1080ti, and by that time, i think the 1080 will got a higher price drop compared to 1070. anyway for me 1070 like 1080 are too weak for 4k at 60hz so i dont care much, i just cant live the integrated intel gpu anymore lol. when i sold my 970 2 months ago, it was for buying a titan in april,may, rumor said it was possible at that time.
While waiting for a titan,
i agree with the fact that nvidia should release titan soon and then wait 6 months for 1080ti. titan is not really for the same people that buy 1070 or 1080, titan is so much expensive.

if the GTX 1080 is 699$ and the Titan Pascal is over 1000$ then don't hope for a GTX 1080 Ti that is like 650$ or something biggrin.gif

I would expect a GTX 1080 Ti to be 899$ if the next Titan card is above a grand.

Let's hope GTX 1080 was a temporary isolated case and Nvidia does not increase prices again. It was a bit much in the last 5 years. Basically everything went up by atleast 100% price increase. Another increase would mean we now pay 125%+ compared to what we paid 5-6 years ago. Don't nobody even start talking about inflation in that short time frame.

Truth be told I am not planning to buy any card in the current landscape. With GPU prices of 700€+ for cards that used to be 300€ consoles are probably the more attractive route going forward.
Polaris didn't give me enough hope to see the status quo changing anytime soon. I
I still hope for those that can't control the urge to buy a Titan even though they aren't as well off as some people, that the new Titan won't come above a grand and completely wreck their credit cards biggrin.gif
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if the GTX 1080 is 699$ and the Titan Pascal is over 1000$ then don't hope for a GTX 1080 Ti that is like 650$ or something biggrin.gif

I would expect a GTX 1080 Ti to be 899$ if the next Titan card is above a grand.

Let's hope GTX 1080 was a temporary isolated case and Nvidia does not increase prices again. It was a bit much in the last 5 years. Basically everything went up by atleast 100% price increase. Another increase would mean we now pay 125%+ compared to what we paid 5-6 years ago. Don't nobody even start talking about inflation in that short time frame.

Truth be told I am not planning to buy any card in the current landscape. With GPU prices of 700€+ for cards that used to be 300€ consoles are probably the more attractive route going forward.
Polaris didn't give me enough hope to see the status quo changing anytime soon. I
I still hope for those that can't control the urge to buy a Titan even though they aren't as well off as some people, that the new Titan won't come above a grand and completely wreck their credit cards biggrin.gif

1100$ is my max, otherwise i wait for a 1080ti, even at 1200$ i will wait for the 1080ti, i made my choice already.
but i dont mind buying a titan P (junior edition lol) 12gb instead of 16gb with 540 bandwidth vs 720 and 3560 core instead of 3840 if the price is 999$, im ok with this.
i would really appreciate if they can allow custom titan card. i dont like to have only one fan with any videocard. otherwise, maybe i could invest for water cooling
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1100$ is my max, otherwise i wait for a 1080ti, even at 1200$ i will wait for the 1080ti, i made my choice already.
but i dont mind buying a titan P (junior edition lol) 12gb instead of 16gb with 540 bandwidth vs 720 and 3560 core instead of 3840 if the price is 999$, im ok with this.


That Titan Junior might come with only 3200 cores, 480GB/s of 12GB HBM2. That is probably the card u get for "just" $999.

Its the Titan Senior that get the possible +50% performance over 1080, not the Jr.
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That Titan Junior might come with only 3200 cores, 480GB/s of 12GB HBM2. That is probably the card u get for "just" $999.

Its the Titan Senior that get the possible +50% performance over 1080, not the Jr.

im still ok with it.

with overclocking, i could get nearly 50% more performance than 1080 gtx.

to me the geforce 1080 gtx need 30% more performance to be ok with me. So a titan junior will be at least 30% better than 1080, after overclock maybe 45% better.

anyway if they do a titan junior for 999$
i wont be willing to pay 1499$ for the full titan
after that maybe a 1080ti will happen, maybe not, but if it happen my guess is similar performance to titan junior but with gddr5x at 384bit

i prefer to pay 999$ for titan junior than 600-700$ for a 1080 gtx, in my case, the 1080 wont worth it, i want more of my favorites games to be able to get 60fps at 4k, as much as possible
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im still ok with it.

with overclocking, i could get nearly 50% more performance than 1080 gtx.

to me the geforce 1080 gtx need 30% more performance to be ok with me. So a titan junior will be at least 30% better than 1080, after overclock maybe 45% better.

anyway if they do a titan junior for 999$
i wont be willing to pay 1499$ for the full titan
after that maybe a 1080ti will happen, maybe not, but if it happen my guess is similar performance to titan junior but with gddr5x at 384bit

The GTX 1080 Ti if it exist might come with only 8GB of HBM2 at same bandwidth
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The GTX 1080 Ti if it exist might come with only 8GB of HBM2 at same bandwidth

yeah, im not sure gddr5x on 384 bit is possible anyway...
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what will happen if they release the titan next month, but Vega hbm2 videocard is much stronger than Titan at release, even if its release in q1 2017 ? Nvidia cant release a 1080ti after that to compete with vega hbm2, if the 1080ti is stronger than Titan. i hope you understand my explanations, but im still confuse about that, isnt risky for nvdia ? Nvidia cant release a 1080ti card stronger than titan to compete with Vega hbm2, isnt?

Won't it be like they did before?
Put out a titan P black.
Also I don't know. With current architecture, AMD are really pushing it in order to match something like the titan, that the card will be far from just 2x8pins. So they might as well do a vega duo which will rival the titan.
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