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Their incentive will be to move units. There is no way the 1080Ti drops at or near $1,000. That price point is reserved for Titan. They will cut the price of "little Pascal" cards(1080/1070) and release "big Pascal" at or near their old price points. 980Ti was only $100-$150 more than 980....780 was only $100 more than 680. At some point even most well off pc gamers will seriously question dropping $1200+ on a single gpu. It's easy to forget on a forum such as this that that price point is well out of reach for 95%+ of consumers in the space. The only way I can see 1080Ti close to $1,000 is if HBM2 is still having yield issues.

1080 Ti is the titan Jr.


IF AMD was competitive, 12GB GP100 would be 1080 Ti @ $700, 16GB would be the usual Titan @ $999

Now that AMD wasnt competitive:

12GB = Titan Jr @ $999, 16GB = Super Titan @ $1200-1500.



Whatever it is, I am strongly believing a Aug/Sept Launch.
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OG Titan(built on a still new 28nm process, like Titan P is on a still new 16nm process) is a better example than Titan X(which is built on a mature 28nm process), and Titan X(6 month after 980) is where all the optimistic People get their "Titan P in 2016" idea from.

Nvidia like Intel is competing with their old lineup, what does/did Intel do when competing with their old lineup:
  • Drag the release cycle longer(12 month cycle enlongate into 16-18 month cycle)
  • Make Generational Product Improvement smaller(Tick-Tock goes to Tick-Tock-Tock and s)
  • Increase Price for the same SKU for new generations

All of this works against the optimistic projection of August 2016 Titan P at $1000 with 50% improvement over 1080. When competing with your old lineup only, it makes more sense to slow down pace of development and save on R&D instead of keep pushing out new product.
Given How much more silicon a Titan P needs(610 vs GP104 which is around 314) and HBM2 price vs GDDR5X, not as much as you think if they keep the price at $1000. 1080 at $650-700 might be more profitable per unit than a $1K Titan P at this stage of yield(and all the good GP100 chip have to go to Compute because that's more profitable) and HBM2 price/avaliablity. Also Titans don't sell much to begin with, There are already more 1080 than Titan X in people's rigs according to the June Steam Survey.

Yes to every one of your points and that is exactly why we won't be seeing a new Titan coming out this year (besides it really just being a completely stupid and idiotic rumor to start with). It makes no sense for them to do so as they don't need to be MORE powerful at the high end right now when AMD is not even competing. When AMD releases Vega what if it ends up being really strong, and Nvidia has already shot their "Titan" wad back in August 2016? They would have nothing to counter with but a 1080Ti that would have a "been there, done that" feel about it, whereas by holding back they can bring the fight to AMD with a new Titan release at a time of their choosing without wasting an entire product release at a time they absolutely do not need to do so.

Keep in mind that Volta is a 2018 product so if they did release Titan in August 2016 they would have nothing left to release besides a cut down Pascal 1080Ti over the next 1.5 years! Its just an idiotic idea and its not happening...
Edited by Majin SSJ Eric - 7/9/16 at 8:32pm
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Yes to every one of your points and that is exactly why we won't be seeing a new Titan coming out this year (besides it really just being a completely stupid and idiotic rumor to start with). It makes no sense for them to do so as they don't need to be MORE powerful at the high end right now when AMD is not even competing. When AMD releases Vega what if it ends up being really strong, and Nvidia has already shot their "Titan" wad back in August 2016? They would have nothing to counter with but a 1080Ti that would have a "been there, done that" feel about it, whereas by holding back they can bring the fight to AMD with a new Titan release at a time of their choosing without wasting an entire product release at a time they absolutely do not need to do so.

Keep in mind that Volta is a 2018 product so if they did release Titan in August 2016 they would have nothing left to release besides a cut down Pascal 1080Ti over the next 1.5 years! Its just an idiotic idea and its not happening...

If they do release a Titan now It will be a Cut Down Titan like Titan OG. In 2017 they will release 1080 Ti and if there is need a Full Titan. 1 year after that they will release new architecture in form of 1180.
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They could release a Titan P in 2016 as long as it's priced so high (ie $1400 or 2x 1080 FE price) that there's no danger of cannibalizing 1080 sales at all.
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i'll be using GTX1080Ti @ 1080p. (please don't have heart attack) biggrin.gif
That's the stupidest 1080ti post I've seen.... At that point you should be given a 970 a 1080ti is for 4k not 1080p
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B-b-but 1080p 180Hz!
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B-b-but 1080p 180Hz!
B-b-but 1080p 1080Hz!************
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Plenty of horsepower for all the AA that 1080p needs biggrin.gif
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well you've got one 1070 already,in your case I'd go 1070 SLI instead of paying a huge price premium for Titan P.
1070 SLI is already 41% faster than 1080 in 4K, and that comes at only $200 more comparing FE vs FE

Hmm its still interesting, but i will have to change my mainboard , i prefer to go titan, so much people seem to hate sli for several reasons... And i played several old games between 1 to 10 years old, it could be a problem i suppose... Thanks anyway for the suggestion. smile.gif in the case that only a titan card at 16gb is released, if its cost too much, i will wait for a 1080ti
Edited by renejr902 - 7/10/16 at 12:07am
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Plenty of horsepower for all the AA that 1080p needs biggrin.gif

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Honestly might as well go up in resolution if that's truly what one is shooting for. I'll be honest, I don't think I could ever go back to 1080p now that I've been on 1440p for a year. I'll probably never go 4K though simply because it's unusable without DPI scaling (which Windows absolutely sucks at) or a 40" screen. :/
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