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you mean 4k low settings at 20-30fps biggrin.gif

We already know exactly what you can do on 4k res with an r9 290x of performance

The GPU on Xbox will be faster then 290X. Also I play 4K with 290X and can get 30 fps with almost all setting High/Ultra even with the most demanding games. We know Xbox will still favor 30 fps so it will do 4K 30fps no problem.
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We know Xbox will still favor 30 fps so it will do 4K 30fps no problem.
I don't think XBox is aiming for 4k/30fps, it just doesn't make sense. I am betting 99.9% of console players play on their TV's and/or a 1080p monitor. With a TV people typically sit far away enough to make the visual difference between 4k and 1080p almost unnoticeable (NOT worth the performance hit), and no console player is buying 4k monitors.

1080p@60fps simply needs far less horsepower and memory/bandwidth than 4k@30fps. It makes perfect sense for Scorpio to aim for native 1080p@60fps, which the current XBox is struggling (or completely failing) to do.
Imagine a console player getting a taste of Witcher 3 at 1080p/60fps at decent settings, their jaw is going to be on the floor. But what will they get at 4k? A bit less aliasing/jaggies they may not even notice on their TV...at the cost of horrible 30fps and lower settings. Not even remotely worth it.

4k is so incredibly redundant for console gaming it's not even funny wth.gif
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I disagree with this statement to a point. HBM didn't make the Fury X a better card than the 980Ti with its regular GDDR5 so performance is ultimately the most important metric. That said, it would be ridiculous for the new Titan to NOT have HBM2 considering its many advantages and AMD's assured use of it in Vega. Perhaps the new Titan would be faster than Vega regardless of memory config but I don't see them using anything but HBM2 on their next flagship card...

You have to redesign a whole chip for g5x. 4mb of l2 cache doesnt work for 384 bits unless they are going for 512 bits this time, which is extremely unlikely.

For 384 bits it has to tie to 3072mb of l2 cache. So the gp100 g5x variant will definitely abit different, not to mention different controller to support 4096 vs 384.
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You can still run tessellation at 4k (albeit at lowered settings) and I would agree that its not a feature you'd want to turn off. At 4k, however, I really find your "jaggies" comment dubious at best. Pixel size on even a 40" 4k monitor is miniscule so those "jaggies" would be very insignificant to the point of merely being nitpicky by complaining about them IMO. AA is just not needed at 4k. Its use may result in a slightly better image quality but most assuredly is not the deal-breaker that Tess-off would be. Of course everybody sees differently so my opinion is definitely not the end all, be all (but I have noticed many ridiculous "claims" of certain people that their eyes are just oh-so-so sensitive that they simply can't live with extremely minor issues, as though they would go blind from them or something).

I heard the same sort of things before I went to 1440p and to be honest I like at least 4x AA at that res. Admittedly I haven't experienced 4k but my point is I wouldn't underestimate the difference in people's perception. What you may think are 'ridiculous claims' may in fact be what is ruining immersion and killing the experience for someone else.

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I heard the same sort of things before I went to 1440p and to be honest I like at least 4x AA at that res. Admittedly I haven't experienced 4k but my point is I wouldn't underestimate the difference in people's perception. What you may think are 'ridiculous claims' may in fact be what is ruining immersion and killing the experience for someone else.

Cheers.

He is not wrong when u have dynamic scaling of 2.25x for the same 27 inch. Its like doing msaa of 2x or even more.

AA is redundant for 4k if u are on 27 inch display. On 32 or 40 den u might consider having them on.
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I know what is tesselation. But Im still not sure about one thing, how can i be sure its enable or disable in game? I know witcher 3 hairwork use tesselation, and i dont care about hairwork, so i disabled it to save some fps. But without hairwork, will witcher 3 use tesselation for others things? If yes can you enable or disable it ? Sorry if my question is confusing.. Thanks for answer, i really want to know! wink.gif
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He is not wrong when u have dynamic scaling of 2.25x for the same 27 inch. Its like doing msaa of 2x or even more.

AA is redundant for 4k if u are on 27 inch display. On 32 or 40 den u might consider having them on.

I tested AA at 4K with a 27", 40, 50" and 55"

In all case you can disable AA because if you are seeing some aliaising, you are probably too close of your screen. But AA can still make a interesting difference in 50" and 55" screen, but only if youre sitting enough close of your screen, im still sitting close to my screen and i dont find it necessary at all. I can live with a little aliasing without any problem . For 27" you dont see anliasing at all, dont use it, if you want to play at one inch of your screen you can enable it lol. Even at 40" you dont really need it, you will need to be very close to see aliasing. In all case i disable AA. About display quality, my favorite size was 40", all looks so great and more details. 27" is too small to enjoy 4k in my opinion, it still enjoyable but not so much, pixel are too small for me and windows look crap without scaling. unfortunately I didnt test 32". 40" is the perfect balance. But i still play in my 55" because i love big screen. I dont think i will buy a 8k screen in my life, because even at 4k you have to sit very close to see all details, at 8k i dont want to play only one feet of my 55" to see the details. 4K will suffice for my whole life. I dont think 8k will be a important buying factor in future. HDR is more important than 8k screen. About people playing in 1440p or 1600p , i recommend you to buy a 4k monitor , its still much better , the details are much better, it worth it. I prefer 4k at 60hz than 1440p at 120hz. I cant live without a 4k monitor or tv. The day you will play a pc game at ultra in 4k you wont turning back. I prefer playing a game at 4k at 40-45fps than at 1080p or 1440p at 60fps or more. I love the details that bring 4k resolution, all things you see in your screen become so much perfect, its impressive even today i still impress with a 4k screen. But i know all people prefer differents things, its up to you, i know people that wont play at all at 40-45fps. It bring more motion blur too
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jaggies bother some people and tesselation can really enhance the visuals
i'd argue if you're gonna turn all that off might as well not run at 4K

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So just turn them down so you still get good visuals. Dont necessarily need to be fully turned off.

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You can still run tessellation at 4k (albeit at lowered settings) and I would agree that its not a feature you'd want to turn off. At 4k, however, I really find your "jaggies" comment dubious at best. Pixel size on even a 40" 4k monitor is miniscule so those "jaggies" would be very insignificant to the point of merely being nitpicky by complaining about them IMO. AA is just not needed at 4k. Its use may result in a slightly better image quality but most assuredly is not the deal-breaker that Tess-off would be. Of course everybody sees differently so my opinion is definitely not the end all, be all (but I have noticed many ridiculous "claims" of certain people that their eyes are just oh-so-so sensitive that they simply can't live with extremely minor issues, as though they would go blind from them or something).

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I heard the same sort of things before I went to 1440p and to be honest I like at least 4x AA at that res. Admittedly I haven't experienced 4k but my point is I wouldn't underestimate the difference in people's perception. What you may think are 'ridiculous claims' may in fact be what is ruining immersion and killing the experience for someone else.

Cheers.

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He is not wrong when u have dynamic scaling of 2.25x for the same 27 inch. Its like doing msaa of 2x or even more.

AA is redundant for 4k if u are on 27 inch display. On 32 or 40 den u might consider having them on.


All good arguments. But yes, AA on 4K is less noticeable than on 2K, and so on. I've noticed some jaggies in FO4 not having AA on, but you really have to look for them. Even then, something like FXAA can be turned on for a very minimal hit. I guess I should have originally stated turning them down and/or off. In my mind, I went more to directly thinking about the original Tomb Raider and how turning on the hair effects could destroy framerates. A 'pretty' feature, nonetheless, but ultimately one that's not worth the performance hit.

However, I find that I tend to try and push my GPUs to the brink. I thought about staying on 2K and going with G-sync and high refresh rate, but ultimately 4K at 27" vs 2K at 27" is just a nice visual upgrade.
 
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I tested AA at 4K with a 27", 40, 50" and 55"

In all case you can disable AA because if you are seeing some aliaising, you are probably too close of your screen. But AA can still make a interesting difference in 50" and 55" screen, but only if youre sitting enough close of your screen, im still sitting close to my screen and i dont find it necessary at all. I can live with a little aliasing without any problem . For 27" you dont see anliasing at all, dont use it, if you want to play at one inch of your screen you can enable it lol. Even at 40" you dont really need it, you will need to be very close to see aliasing. In all case i disable AA. About display quality, my favorite size was 40", all looks so great and more details. 27" is too small to enjoy 4k in my opinion, it still enjoyable but not so much, pixel are too small for me and windows look crap without scaling. unfortunately I didnt test 32". 40" is the perfect balance. But i still play in my 55" because i love big screen. I dont think i will buy a 8k screen in my life, because even at 4k you have to sit very close to see all details, at 8k i dont want to play only one feet of my 55" to see the details. 4K will suffice for my whole life. I dont think 8k will be a important buying factor in future. HDR is more important than 8k screen. About people playing in 1440p or 1600p , i recommend you to buy a 4k monitor , its still much better , the details are much better, it worth it. I prefer 4k at 60hz than 1440p at 120hz. I cant live without a 4k monitor or tv. The day you will play a pc game at ultra in 4k you wont turning back

To each their own. Personally I'd take lower resolution over lower refresh rate any day.

Low resolutions aren't as pretty, but they don't negatively impact the player much (and in fact is often are beneficial both in terms of game performance and in reducing the amount of visual noise on the screen, thus allowing you to more quickly focus on the important parts).

Low refresh rates on the other hand directly hinder a player's ability to process data in real time, and more importantly in my case, give me killer migraines.

Now if I were to buy a monitor for office work, 3D rendering, photography, or digital art then yes I'd absolutely prioritize resolution over refresh rates. For gaming however, refresh rate is king.

Personally, I do both, and I don't have unlimited money or the desk space for more than one monitor, so I split the difference and got an overclockable korean 1440 pls panel. High enough rate to keep my eyes from bleeding in games, high enough resolution and good enough colors for other work.
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Dont go 27" with a 4k screen. You need at least 32" , otherwise keep your 2k screen, i just explained why i think that in my last post
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