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I think Zen is going to be the push that Intel needs to release something more impressive than the meh products they've been releasing since SB, not some new card from Nvidia...

The perfect storm is brewing for intel to release more hidden alien tech on us!
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I fail to see how Titan P can be 50% faster than 1080 with only 40% more shaders and likely a lower clock as well.

Titan X was exactly 1.5x of 980 in terms of chip specs, but only ended up being about 25-30% faster. Needed a quite significant overclock to open the gap to 50%, but even then it took OC Titan X vs stock 980.

I think Titan P might end up being 50% faster in select games with a pushed to the limit OC vs 1080, but in no way will it be 50% faster in all scenarios and certainly not stock vs stock or OC vs OC.

You are right if they have the same ipc. But the there is alot of hidden benefit on gp100 vs gp104

More cache, lesser core per sm, and the insanely low latency hbm2. That might boost ipc by a fair bit. So we wont know how much ipc advantage gp100 have vs 104. But the overall architecture is designed better than gp104 tbh.
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If 2 titan models are released in near future, i dont think you will see a 1080ti. Otherwise i still believe 1080ti will exist without much performance of amd this generation, but all of you have good points about that, so maybe i will change my mind wink.gif
Its true that i wont see nvidia spend money for a 1080ti and have low profit vs 1080, youre right, but maybe nvidia will still release 1080ti for 980ti guys that wait for it ? Isnt? Finally you got me im still not sure maybe youre right guys wink.gif im not stubborn , i wanted proof, but some of you are convincing enough to be my mind changed after all. wink.gif

In the time of geforce 2, i was there, i know im old wink.gif , there was geforce 2 gts, geforce 2 ultra and they released a geforce 2 pro by the end, and finally a geforce 2 ti to be competitive wuth rafeon 7500, in that case if radeon 7500 was not released , never a geforce 2 ti should have existed. so ti process is a old one, i just thought time have changed now. But i suppose im wrong finally, so i will have to buy a titan at 1400$ if no ti by spring 2017 or no titan at 1099$. i wont be more patient
Me too i fear titan wont be 50% better than 1080, it will be hard to do that, 30-40% more core and double bandwith, isnt enough?

Come on give me reputation i changed my mind wink.gif LOL, you got me !
Edited by renejr902 - 7/13/16 at 3:14am
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yeah Id say if there are actually 2 Titans then 1080Ti may not come, but then the lesser Titan would have to serve as some form of replcement of the 1080Ti anyway
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yeah Id say if there are actually 2 Titans then 1080Ti may not come, but then the lesser Titan would have to serve as some form of replcement of the 1080Ti anyway
i checked history and i remember that at this time without radeon 7500, no geforce2 ti would have exist, at that time 3 geforce 2 flagship model were released, never a fourth model should have existed without radeon 7500, and i bought that radeon 7500 to replace my geforce2 gts lol, but to me the change was not worth it. Even in that time some games were bad optimized on radeon card, i was dissapointed, rally trophy was not really playable on radeon 7500 and i had no trouble to get high fps with my geforce 2 gts, where others games were slighly better with the radeon 7500 than gf2 gts, so after that i bought a gefore 4200ti but geforce 4 serie is another story all mid-range and high end were TI cards, pretty weird.. Geforce 6 as a 6800 gt and ultra(ultra = titan today) but no ti, because no need for it. History repeat by himself everytime, so finally ti is only to save their face vs competition, finally i was wrong i think, gt at old time was to people that would not have paid for ultra, not so much performance difference between a gt and ultra, its like high and enthousiast. The normal 6800 without gt and ultra was like a entry to highend
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Any reviews? I cannot find any good benchmarks where the impact of overclocking the memory on the 1080 was tested, everyone keeps benching with both overclocked (or just the core).

I've done some very limited 4K benchmarking with Hitman Absolution as it was the hardest game for me to get stable on previous cards. I found my highest stable GPU clock and then set it back and worked with memory clocks.

The best thing I can give you is that between a series of 3 tests at each test (I started at 500, went to 525, etc), with 536Mhz added on top (literal 536, so 10546 in my case), I saw minimum FPS readings go up from 70 to 72 a couple times, and once it hit 74, but I'd chalk that up to margin of error as it didn't consistently get this. Overall, in this game, i didn't find GPU or memory clock to really effect much. Slightly higher average, but for 4K, I consider 60FPS minimum a more important task. IIRC, all of my testing pretty much gave me 70 for minimum, 79 on average and 89 max.
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I tried to find 1080 benchmark that compare only memory clock, no luck. I still did that test myself with my 980ti some months ago in witcher3 at ultra at 4k and i got some result. With no memory overclock i got 44fps , with full memory overclock 46-47fps for the same location.i will test that with my 1070 in a few days and report back, i have 2 babies so be patient lol, but it will be better with a 1080. Try to underclock of several mhz your 1080 memory and compare your result vs fully overclocked memory
Edited by renejr902 - 7/13/16 at 3:41am
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Anyway Vega have a long way to go if they wanna catch up with Nvidia highest offering.
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Anyway Vega have a long way to go if they wanna catch up with Nvidia highest offering.

AMD is not capable. Period.
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AMD is not capable. Period.

I think they are fully capable. I think they are a bit behind on perf/watt at base clocks, but I think they can deliver a 1080 contender. Afterall, it is only a mid-range card.

Titan P contender will require HBM(2) to keep within TDP limits. I'm glad to see with Vulkan, HBM is finally getting the praise it is due with async support.

I don't think we will see either of those until next year. Yields are poor on these processes, as this FinFET technology was just a way (although novel) to salvage the 20nm failure a few years ago.

Can't even imagine the yield issues with a large, dense, GPU die. Why else do you think they charge an arm and a leg? wink.gif
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