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Just to chime in, here are some of my quick thoughts on the matter. Several things factor into potential discomfort (and often diminished in-game performance). Note that this is just from my personal experiences.

1) Coating: As was mentioned, the problem is, with a "bad" (slippery) coating you have to grip the mouse harder to lift and maneuver it. This causes increases tension/strain and is one more distraction while playing. Ideally, you want a mouse that "sticks" to your hand with the least amount of pressure possible. This is why glossy has been mentioned as a fav for players w/ dry hands. If you have to "squeeze" your mouse to get it off the pad the coating (and the dimensions tbh) is not "ideal".

2) Weight: This is more true for higher sens or general wrist-only movement. I found that heavier mice can cause pains/strains even in extended desktop usage. And more fatigue in general if you're a low sens user whipping it around for hours at a time. My main beef with heavy mice is they simply fail at being what a mouse should be at its core...an extension of your hand. Also, what a lot of people fail to realize is the heavier a mouse is the more likely it is to feel "off balance". When a mouse is feather light the distribution is less relevant.

3) Width: This is sort of a two-pronged problem. Narrow mice often cramp my hand, this is for obvious reasons. The only way a narrow mouse "works" for me is if points 1 and 2 are addressed. Meaning a good, grippy coating and low weight (90g or less is okay, but sub-75g is ideal). The issue with wide mice though is...I can't aim with them. My shots simply aren't as accurate/consistent. This could be coupled w/ the fact wide mice are usually heavier. For desktop use a wide mouse is heaven, but for me in game, it's about precision. I'm a fingertip grip user at heart, it's just that most mice don't allow me to take full advantage of it.

4) Arm position: I have long arms in relation to my torso. This means when seated my elbows are always below the height of my desk. This can cause all sorts of problems. I used to basically play like this (probably at an even more acute angle) then switched to the "forearm on table" method, which was better, but still not so good because I felt I had to "lean forward" (the "csgo pro position") . Now I use the arm rests for my chair (which I'd prev. removed) after buying some very comfy covers. It's the best solution so far, though something like a standing desk solution could is still in the air.

I kinda strayed from the main topic a bit, but that's my take. As far as the hand position thing goes, I can't say with confidence any grip is "better" universally for comfort. My points made above are but a few reasons why. One thing I will say is, if a mouse hurts to use then just stop using it sooner rather than later. Don't fall into the "well, maybe if I change my grip..." or "I just need to get used to it" trap.
post #22 of 24
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Originally Posted by Maximillion View Post

Don't fall into the "well, maybe if I change my grip..." or "I just need to get used to it" trap.

Unfortunately most here have that need to use a mouse and when they SPENT lots of money on something, they thought would rule their world then suddenly ends up raping their hand and arm consistently then they are always forced to keep on using it.

It's the OLD, I'm young and my body will get use to it syndrome. Years later they're all crying about the Pain, the PAIN sad-smiley-002.gif .
post #23 of 24
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Originally Posted by killeraxemannic View Post

This is great... You have thought about the same things as me but you came to a different conclusion based on your hand. I basically wanted to get the discussion started... I have looked a lot on the internet for ergonomics discussions on forums and I don't find much. That's why I wanted to get one going!

DIfferent conclusion in a way, but I also adore the hell out of my KPM, even with a rather different grip.
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Originally Posted by Maximillion View Post

Just to chime in, here are some of my quick thoughts on the matter. Several things factor into potential discomfort (and often diminished in-game performance). Note that this is just from my personal experiences.

1) Coating: As was mentioned, the problem is, with a "bad" (slippery) coating you have to grip the mouse harder to lift and maneuver it. This causes increases tension/strain and is one more distraction while playing. Ideally, you want a mouse that "sticks" to your hand with the least amount of pressure possible. This is why glossy has been mentioned as a fav for players w/ dry hands. If you have to "squeeze" your mouse to get it off the pad the coating (and the dimensions tbh) is not "ideal".

2) Weight: This is more true for higher sens or general wrist-only movement. I found that heavier mice can cause pains/strains even in extended desktop usage. And more fatigue in general if you're a low sens user whipping it around for hours at a time. My main beef with heavy mice is they simply fail at being what a mouse should be at its core...an extension of your hand. Also, what a lot of people fail to realize is the heavier a mouse is the more likely it is to feel "off balance". When a mouse is feather light the distribution is less relevant.

3) Width: This is sort of a two-pronged problem. Narrow mice often cramp my hand, this is for obvious reasons. The only way a narrow mouse "works" for me is if points 1 and 2 are addressed. Meaning a good, grippy coating and low weight (90g or less is okay, but sub-75g is ideal). The issue with wide mice though is...I can't aim with them. My shots simply aren't as accurate/consistent. This could be coupled w/ the fact wide mice are usually heavier. For desktop use a wide mouse is heaven, but for me in game, it's about precision. I'm a fingertip grip user at heart, it's just that most mice don't allow me to take full advantage of it.

4) Arm position: I have long arms in relation to my torso. This means when seated my elbows are always below the height of my desk. This can cause all sorts of problems. I used to basically play like this (probably at an even more acute angle) then switched to the "forearm on table" method, which was better, but still not so good because I felt I had to "lean forward" (the "csgo pro position") . Now I use the arm rests for my chair (which I'd prev. removed) after buying some very comfy covers. It's the best solution so far, though something like a standing desk solution could is still in the air.

I kinda strayed from the main topic a bit, but that's my take. As far as the hand position thing goes, I can't say with confidence any grip is "better" universally for comfort. My points made above are but a few reasons why. One thing I will say is, if a mouse hurts to use then just stop using it sooner rather than later. Don't fall into the "well, maybe if I change my grip..." or "I just need to get used to it" trap.


I had to break myself of the habbit of death gripping the mouse a long time ago as that was causing wrist pain for me. Same sort of with the keyboard. I would mash the keys down when I was moving. It does seem that a wide and heavy mouse causes issues if you play on low sens. I play around 800 so I do end up picking up the mouse from time to time. As far as the seating position goes I know that struggle. I just figured mine out for home by actually going to work and measuring chair height, desk height and arm wrest height. I actually ended up sort of building my own office chair of sorts. The chair I have had for a few years was the Ikea Markus. I liked the seat but I realized that the arms were too tall and too narrow and just didn't work so I took them off. That was ok but what I finally ended up doing was getting some high end office chair arms from a Nightingale CXO chair that are width, height and left right adjustable and attaching them to the Ikea chair. Works out perfectly now!
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