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So, where is the proof it was water leak?

And where is the proof that the 480 didn't damaged the mobo?
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Originally Posted by OrSpeeder View Post

So, where is the proof it was water leak?

And where is the proof that the 480 didn't damaged the mobo?

It's the other way around.

When you claim something, in this case that RX 480 damaged the mobo, you have to provide proof that RX 480 did that damage. But since you have e specific request, here it is:
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OK, so the Intel machine is booting with the RX 480, and its showing low quality video, because its running 32 bit winxp, and I cant get online with it just yet to get a 32 bit driver. Thats tomorrow. Its looking like I mustve damaged the mobo with water. Disgusting I would be so negligent.
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The BIOS of the intel board did say in red, Warning, this VGA adapter may not operate correctly, or something like that, lol. So my board is smoked, not from the RX 480 probably, but who really knows. Maybe it was on the verge, and the swap through it over the edge.

EDIT: Wait, I cant get a 32 bit driver for this, duh! lol

RX 480 does work tho, it seems. Cant test full bore with driver tho... Unless it goes in my s939 machine?? PCI-E 1.1 tho, so not gonna try it. smile.gif
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I am asking because the thread title changed to "DID NOT brick my motherboard" instead of "Mobo died after putting a 480 in it and I Don't know why"

So I thought he had found proof of his title.
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The BIOS of the intel board did say in red, Warning, this VGA adapter may not operate correctly, or something like that, lol.

I've never seen motherboard firmware give such a message, but GPU firmware often has such warnings if it detects that the PCI-E power cable is not connected.

What was the exact message text, and when/where did you see it?
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So my board is smoked, not from the RX 480 probably, but who really knows. Maybe it was on the verge, and the swap through it over the edge.

Everything fails eventually. Every millijoule of energy though the board, every voltage/current spike, every flex and abrasion through mounting/unmounting components...can all cause some degree of wear that adds up. Sooner or later, you'll find a weak link and something will break.
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I've never seen motherboard firmware give such a message, but GPU firmware often has such warnings if it detects that the PCI-E power cable is not connected.

I'll get a pic of the error once I'm home. The board detected something wrong with the GPU's compatibility.. BUT, thats probably because the core 2 duo is a 32-bit only (??) machine, and the 8GB memory on the GPU alone far surpasses 32-bit ability.
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So, where is the proof it was water leak?

And where is the proof that the 480 didn't damaged the mobo?

I haven't gotten this far yet, I am utterly bogged down with work. With it being a fri. night, i'll probably spend a ton of time today. DID NOT have much time last night.

Water damage is the only other possibility with 480 ruled out. That, or I inflicted physical damage to something i haven't observed yet. Which is highly unlikely, I hope. All this is going to boil down to is a human error, and cost me for a new board. lol, sucks
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I am asking HOW you ruled the 480 out...

The only thing I saw is that you put it in a Core 2 machine, and it worked.

This... doesn't rule out anything.

Or I skipped some other post and didn't noticed?
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I am asking HOW you ruled the 480 out...

The only thing I saw is that you put it in a Core 2 machine, and it worked.

This... doesn't rule out anything.

Or I skipped some other post and didn't noticed?

I'm sure that that Core 2 machine has a lower-end PCI-E power delivery system, if it hasn't burnt it (like he supposed it did on his Sabertooth) then it's not the card's power spikes on PCI-E that killed the Sabertooth (that's what OP thought).
     
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This varies mobo by mobo.

Also so far every single complaint I saw of the 480, has been on AMD mobos... might be coincidence though.

EDIT: also OP said the card on Core 2 was recognized as incompatible, this might trigger the PCI-e spec "boot mode", that limits power to 25W. (or BECAUSE the mobo didn't let it go beyond 25W, the card didn't completely booted up).

EDIT 2: To be non-ambiguous, I will clarify PCI-e specs:

16x full height cards are the only ones that can use 5.5A on 12V.

But BEFORE they do that, they need to complete their own boot process at 25W mode.


The 480, seemly is incompatible with older BIOS, there are a couple threads on community.amd.com of people complaining of their older computers failing to boot with the 480, maybe the 480 is "UEFI only", and if you have an actual BIOS computer (before UEFI was invented), it is possible the 480 never "boots", ie: never finishes reading and executing its own VBIOS.

If this happen, the card according to PCI-e, will be limited to 25W.

If this happen, it will never destroy an old mobo.

Thus testing the 480 on mobos that dones't support it, isn't a very good test for the PCI-e problem, the problem will never trigger on those mobos. (at least not without workarouds to force the card to boot somehow).
Edited by OrSpeeder - 7/8/16 at 8:07am
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This varies mobo by mobo.

Also so far every single complaint I saw of the 480, has been on AMD mobos... might be coincidence though.

EDIT: also OP said the card on Core 2 was recognized as incompatible, this might trigger the PCI-e spec "boot mode", that limits power to 25W. (or BECAUSE the mobo didn't let it go beyond 25W, the card didn't completely booted up).

EDIT 2: To be non-ambiguous, I will clarify PCI-e specs:

16x full height cards are the only ones that can use 5.5A on 12V.

But BEFORE they do that, they need to complete their own boot process at 25W mode.


The 480, seemly is incompatible with older BIOS, there are a couple threads on community.amd.com of people complaining of their older computers failing to boot with the 480, maybe the 480 is "UEFI only", and if you have an actual BIOS computer (before UEFI was invented), it is possible the 480 never "boots", ie: never finishes reading and executing its own VBIOS.

If this happen, the card according to PCI-e, will be limited to 25W.

If this happen, it will never destroy an old mobo.

Thus testing the 480 on mobos that dones't support it, isn't a very good test for the PCI-e problem, the problem will never trigger on those mobos. (at least not without workarouds to force the card to boot somehow).

Except that the main evidence people throw around that these cards are hurting motherbaords or are incompatible shows that the card is being used at full power in a Pentium 4 computer, which is even far older than a Core 2 Duo and has an even lower PCI-E spec version. So if it can draw full power there, it can draw full power from a Core 2 Duo PC.
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