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So, after year's i'm finally able to build a completely new system to replace my old Q9550 based one. Upgrade is based on a i7 6700k. Now with this new system i want to avoid some issues i had in the past that caused me to have to reinstall.

I don't have many requirements but the software must be able to

- create full disc images (not interested in incremental ones, in the event of restoring it would take too long) of system drive to backup drive in raid (boot drive will be SSD, backup target: 2X 1TB sata hdd in raid 1)
- create a bootable (WindowsPE?) disc that can be used to restore the backup with in the event of trouble
- bonus would be to be able to do the SCHEDULED to a drive that's "hidden" or "disabled in disk management
- do the above in a FREE edition

So far i've found a couple software solutions but i have no clue with one is "the best".

I've got:

EaseUS ToDo Backup Edition
Active Disk Image
Macrium Reflect

any other options or better ones?
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Macrium Reflect is excellent for backing up your System files (OS and programs). The System files should be located on their own drive or partition (I recommend an SSD for that).

I like FreeFileSync for backing up data files. If you have very much data, HDDs are the most economical for storing data and backups.

I do not recommend using RAID 1 for backups. There are too many opportunities for spreading corruption or losing data. It would be safer to do two separate backups to each of the drives you would have instead mirroring them (using them in RAID 1), keeping one of them onsite and one offsite, swapping them out frequently to keep them as up to date as possible.

I also do not recommend doing scheduled backups because that would require that the backup drives be connected to the computer at all times. Backup drives should not be installed in a computer and should be connected to the computer only while updating a backup.

Click on the top link in my sig below for more information on backups from our HDD and SSD guru, Sean Webster.
     
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Raid 1 is mirrored. The 2 drives would be located in my cosmos ii case hotswap bays. I guess I can always 'disable' the drives in disk management until needed. Say I do go with raid 1, my board's (maximus viii formula) bios has IRST built in. Would that be the preferred method over installing the IRST software and doing it that way? I don't work in an office or really have a place to store the drives off-site.

Backup would go from an 500gb 850 evo to 1/2TB mechanical drives.
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I do use RAID 1 but not as back up. I just use acronis and make a complete copy of each disc. and one of the data on the RAID array. Perhaps not the cheapest way but if you have drives laying around like I do. Hot swap trays make it easy.

A free version of Acronis comes with a lot of drives. There are of course many others. I use Macrium a lot too.
   
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Raid 1 is mirrored. The 2 drives would be located in my cosmos ii case hotswap bays. I guess I can always 'disable' the drives in disk management until needed. Say I do go with raid 1, my board's (maximus viii formula) bios has IRST built in. Would that be the preferred method over installing the IRST software and doing it that way? I don't work in an office or really have a place to store the drives off-site.

Backup would go from an 500gb 850 evo to 1/2TB mechanical drives.

Again, forget RAID 1.The problem with using a RAID 1 for a backup is, if one drive gets corrupted while updating a backup, the mirrored drive will also be corrupted. Again, it would be much better to update the backup on each drive independently.

The problem with having a backup drive installed inside a computer is, if something takes out the drives in your computer, such as a blown PSU or a malware infection, you will also lose your backups. Even if you disable the backup drives by disconnecting the SATA data and power, if someone steals your computer, your backups will go with it. It's best to keep backup drives out of sight of the computer, such as in a closed drawer or cabinet, preferably in another part of the house.

Finding a place to put a backup drive isn't difficult. You could always keep it at a trusted neighbor's, friend's, or relative's house. Or you could do what I do with mine: keep it in a bank or credit union safe deposit box. My safe deposit box at my credit union, which can easily hold a dozen or more 3.5" HDDs, as well as my personal papers and other things, costs me only $60/year; that's only $5/month. We all have something in our lives costing us at least $5/month that we can cut down on to get that $5/month, such as snacks, eating out, going to the movies, etc.
     
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Well guess I'll have some thinking to do. Anyone have other suggestions for the backup software?
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What OS are you using. Pretty sure Windows built in Backup and restore will do what you want. I have Windows 10 and it has both scheduled backups and the option to do system images. Not sure if it can use a disk that hasnt been assigned a drive letter though.

Have you considered getting a NAS, even a 2 bay job just for backups? They usually include the ability to run backup tasks...to what extent youd have to look at models and research how they handle it.

For what its worth my opinion and approach to this is the following. With an SSD I can install Windows in like 10 mins fresh. Installing programs is generally quick as well. Installing software from the web/download (like from steam, or Office 365) usually owes the bulk of the time to download speed. So if you have fast internet this is generally quick too. I can personally install Windows and all the software I need in like maybe 1 hour.

In doing so myself I ensure that:
  • I only install what I need (sometimes I stop using software and forget its installed)
  • I have the latest versions, especially drivers
  • I dont carry over any underlying issues.

For me backups are more important for saving and restoring the content I cannot replace like documents, pictures, videos etc.

I have a 500GB SSD boot drive and a 3TB HDD for data and some lesser used software. My server handles backups and I have it set to only backup user data (documents, pics, video etc). So basically If I need to rebuild I do a clean install and then xfer/restore my data. Whole process is maybe 2-3 hours and the majority of the time its without me at the computer. Thats also presuming that my data drive needed to be wiped, otherwise I can generally just clean install on the SSD and leave the data drive intact. I used to do a full system image first thing after and found that I have never used a full system image to restore from in my life (personal life...at home. Work is another story) so I no longer bother with this.

How you approach it is up to you. Im sure there are other 3rd party backup options I just dont know anything about them.
post #8 of 11
Windows backup and restore is inferior to even the free version of Macrium Reflect. Any imaging program is best suited only for System files.

Data files are best backed up using a folder/file syncing program. I prefer FreeFileSync but there are other good ones out there, such as SyncToy.

Unless you have huge amounts of data that is accessed by several computers, a NAS is unnecessary and is even harder to maintain.
     
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I don't have the room or need for a NAS, thanks for the suggestion though. A powerful PC and PLEX is all i need for my streaming needs. The OS i'm using now is irrelevant. This is for my new pc. It'll run W10
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Core i7 6700k ROG Maximus VIII Formula STRIX-GTX1080-O8G-GAMING CMD16GX4M4B3200C16-ROG 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveOptical Drive
850 Evo SSD HGST Deskstar 7k4000 BH16NS40 BH10LS30 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
GH20NS10 Corsair h100i v2 Windows 10 x64 Pro ASUS VG278HR 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
HP w2448h Corsair k95 rgb Corsair AX860i Coolermaster Cosmos II 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Corsair M65 Pro Corsair mm300 Logitech z-906 
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Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 P5Q-E NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680 Corsair  
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Corsair  Corsair  Corsair  Seagate ST2000DM001-1CH164 
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SAMSUNG HD103UJ  Seagate ST320006 41AS Western Digital WD Ext HDD 1021 BH16NS40 
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BH10LS30 GH20NS10 CM Hyper 412 Slim  Windows 7 Ultimate x64 
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I am using Acronis to create a backup image -> NAS -> Dropbox Business unlimited.

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